Jeffrey Goldberg

that we don't have mass death in the Middle East.

And if you think we've had mass death now, you just wait.

You want to see mass death if trends continue.

It's becoming very zero-sum.

I think about this phase as like a third intifada.

The second intifada was much more violent than the first intifada.

The fourth and fifth, I don't know.

So obviously, the reason I believe, despite the fact that reality is not leaning in my direction, despite the fact that this is

impossible at the moment to imagine.

The reason I believe that a two-state solution is the only solution is that's the only one that could conceivably prevent mass death from happening in the Middle East.

So there's that.

The second point, the point that you were quoting from 2013, is really analytical at a certain point.

It's like, if the Israelis expect

let's say the majority of American Jews to continue supporting them, they're going to have to model to some degree the mindset of American Jews.

American Jews could probably have a better understanding of the unique pressures of being Israeli.

Sure.

Right?

There's a lot of discord, you know, in the relationship.

And it's all like geography is destiny, right?

And so you have that problem.