Jess Ekstrom

That was like,

a game changer for me in this book and making it without losing it.

It's like, how do you create goals, have a mission that aren't this singular focus, but even outlive you?

Like I think about like,

what I'm doing today.

And yes, I want it to be great for me, but I want it to be like something my great grandkids one day might experience of like, hey, there's a lot of women on stages.

And I can say I was a small part in that.

So sometimes it's just not about achieving your goals.

It's about being a part of things that might even outlive you, which I think is really a cool way to think about it.

Oh, for sure.

For sure.

I like to think about it.

Did you read, what's it called?

Marie Kondo's Spark Joy during the pandemic when everyone was reading it and decluttering their homes.

So I think about it when it comes to work.

One of the things that like she would do is say like, take an item, hold it close to your chest.

Does it spark joy?

If yes, keep it.

If no, toss it.

But then there was this part of the book where it's like, well, what happens when you get to like a stapler or a hammer?