John Gafford

It went nowhere.

I think the reason it went nowhere was they wanted me to be the guy.

Like I was supposed to be the tax sale guy.

And the guy that was actually the tax sale guy that had the program, he really wanted to be the tax sale guy.

So at the last minute, he became the tax sale guy and I became the host with Gail Gallardo.

On that show.

And it was bad.

I knew it was bad.

It was bad because we were going off a script off of VSO.

So you were just freestyling this stuff.

Yeah, it is.

She's beautiful, but yeah, she's not exactly an actress.

You hit the wall.

Olympia Dukakis did not... Yeah, the toe's still out there.

I just worked there.

How do I manufacture this?

So even with all that success, you had a limiting belief where you never even thought about launching your own product?

Right, but see, to me that's so shocking because of all of the things, with my broken nose and getting it fixed and my being told I'm ugly, I'm going to go win this pageant.

And then I'm going to go, and I've never done sports, and I'm like, CSPN, John, I've done this.

And you're making so much money for so many people, and it never occurred to you you could do it.