John Robbins

I'm literally nothing.

And I feel furthest from a drink when I'm in tune with that nothingness.

You know, just... I quite often like... If people are ever...

When someone says meditation, people are often like, what do you mean?

For me now, I've been on a silent retreat.

I've done quite structured meditation.

What I mean now for me is going into some area of greenery

and breathing and noticing that breath and being aware of my surroundings or being on a tube coming into london or getting stressed in a busy place and noticing my breathing and that's what i mean by it

When I'm in that place, especially out in the woodland or the fields or footpath or whatever, and I take like 10 minutes to just notice my breath, I am disappearing.

And that's as far away from a drink as I ever am.

Do you know what I mean?

So that's all I can really describe it as.

So I don't really need to know myself, I suppose.

I mean, I know what I'm like and I know what I can be like and I know when I'm being a pain.

Yeah.

So it's important to have those knowledge of like your bad habits or your behaviours which you're trying to act against.

But I don't need to have this sort of fixed version of me.

It's about what alcohol means.

Hmm.

And I've read quite a few books about alcohol and stopping drinking and being sober and have got a lot from all of them.