Karl Sherrill

And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I, I'm not sure I can get through that kind of thing.

So yeah, good.

I have, and I would say, so number one, I'm an over-indexed to nice guy, for sure.

I think the place that I have developed into from maturing in my professional career, also led by my personal life, is to be willing to have a very challenging conversation with someone because I'm coming at it from the standpoint of, if we don't talk about it, that's bad for everybody.

And I care too much about you to not have that conversation.

So that's number one.

The other thing that is interesting, I also agree, like our brains are wired to be defensive and that brings on some interesting personality traits in the way that we interact with each other that are just kind of by design.

But I do believe that there's not people that get up every day that would otherwise be wired to just be miserable.

and make your life miserable.

And so then you begin to think about, well, if I believe that to be true, then I would like to seek understanding as to why they're there.

Like to me, it becomes compassion for there's been something in the life experiences that they've absorbed have put them into a place where that's how they see the world when they get up in the morning.

And that's sad.

I'm desperately sad for those people because that's not a way to live a life.

And so as leading a team, I want to understand why we're there.

I want to understand what the experience in your life has been that's put you in that space where you can't enjoy the moments in life that are really important.

and then try to help you find a way to get there and enable you to do that.

The reality is, if I've got a team of people who can't figure that out, we're not going to be successful together.

We'll have small successes and we'll be able to get lucky wins.

Long-term sustainable success for a team, when we've got people dealing with that,

I don't believe, and I don't think history has proven it out either, that you'll have long-term sustainable success if you don't help the team be great.