Keith Payne

Yeah. And then drove it away to college. Drove fast on his way to college.

Yeah. And then drove it away to college. Drove fast on his way to college.

Yeah. And then drove it away to college. Drove fast on his way to college.

And then also as you're kind of explaining your ability to click back into your previous worldview or mindset, I relate to you deeply. I feel like I have a very similar kind of background in a working class. My family's all from Kentucky. You grew up there.

And then also as you're kind of explaining your ability to click back into your previous worldview or mindset, I relate to you deeply. I feel like I have a very similar kind of background in a working class. My family's all from Kentucky. You grew up there.

And then also as you're kind of explaining your ability to click back into your previous worldview or mindset, I relate to you deeply. I feel like I have a very similar kind of background in a working class. My family's all from Kentucky. You grew up there.

As much as I love this broken ladder book, which felt so academic, then learning this personal story about you, I thought, oh, likely why it appealed to me so much that we have this.

As much as I love this broken ladder book, which felt so academic, then learning this personal story about you, I thought, oh, likely why it appealed to me so much that we have this.

As much as I love this broken ladder book, which felt so academic, then learning this personal story about you, I thought, oh, likely why it appealed to me so much that we have this.

In a sense. Were you triggered by the hillbilly elegy? I hated that book. And I was very vocally against it.

In a sense. Were you triggered by the hillbilly elegy? I hated that book. And I was very vocally against it.

In a sense. Were you triggered by the hillbilly elegy? I hated that book. And I was very vocally against it.

Everything you just read was the proof for this theory. I'm going to drop on the end of it. I didn't even think the memoir stuff was real. I'm like, that's not really how it works. I think you've heard these stories, but I don't think you were there for these stories. I don't know. That was my hiccup about it.

Everything you just read was the proof for this theory. I'm going to drop on the end of it. I didn't even think the memoir stuff was real. I'm like, that's not really how it works. I think you've heard these stories, but I don't think you were there for these stories. I don't know. That was my hiccup about it.

Everything you just read was the proof for this theory. I'm going to drop on the end of it. I didn't even think the memoir stuff was real. I'm like, that's not really how it works. I think you've heard these stories, but I don't think you were there for these stories. I don't know. That was my hiccup about it.

But Broken Ladder, I just want to talk about a couple of things, Broken Ladder, because they stuck with me so deeply. And I think they do work their way into your new book in a lot of ways. But tell us about what happens on airplanes. Yeah. If you remember that data, I know it's been a while. Right. But I think that stuff's fascinating.

But Broken Ladder, I just want to talk about a couple of things, Broken Ladder, because they stuck with me so deeply. And I think they do work their way into your new book in a lot of ways. But tell us about what happens on airplanes. Yeah. If you remember that data, I know it's been a while. Right. But I think that stuff's fascinating.

But Broken Ladder, I just want to talk about a couple of things, Broken Ladder, because they stuck with me so deeply. And I think they do work their way into your new book in a lot of ways. But tell us about what happens on airplanes. Yeah. If you remember that data, I know it's been a while. Right. But I think that stuff's fascinating.

What can I tell you as someone who's in those seats now, later in life, I'm embarrassed. That's why I don't look at you. I'm sure you imbue from me that I think I'm better than you and don't want to look at you. But I feel ashamed that I am there and you're not.

What can I tell you as someone who's in those seats now, later in life, I'm embarrassed. That's why I don't look at you. I'm sure you imbue from me that I think I'm better than you and don't want to look at you. But I feel ashamed that I am there and you're not.