Konstantin Kisin

Because a lot of people, if you let them, they will take advantage of you.

And you have to not let them take advantage of you.

And if people are here who are taking advantage of you, they should go home.

And she was horrified by what her dad said and by the fact that I agreed with her dad.

And this, that's the entire conversation, isn't it?

so it's just happening and you know when you were talking about the illegal boat immigrants in a hotel um and the way you were talking about it i felt this pang of like but what and and i real and i think what was the pang

know what it was i think it was almost like isn't that exactly what the people who didn't let those fleeing the holocaust and world war ii would have said and that is what they said and they didn't let lots of people into their countries and lots of people died as a result and i think the guilt that we feel about that still even now is so profound that it has deranged the way we think about this issue completely

Well, what I think is actually not even update.

I just think we have to be honest and recognize that if people are fleeing the Holocaust, we actually do want to let them in and look after them.

but if people are economic migrants who've worked out that if you claim that you are gay or whatever and you're fleeing afghanistan we're going to let you in all of a sudden it's all like that thing with you know we had i mean what was happening in syria during the civil war meant that there were hundreds of thousands of people actually fleeing for they were genuine refugees but

But if you come to our country and claim you're 12 years old and go to school when you're 24, and we don't even bother to check.

So the point is that

The guilt and shame we felt, I actually think was somewhat appropriate.

It's just it's now been misallocated.

If I was driving in a careless way and I hurt somebody, I should feel guilt about that.

But if the result of that is I now decide to burn down all the cars in the country, maybe that's an overreaction.

And it sort of feels like that's what's happened here.

That'll do it.

Yeah.

That'll do it.