Leslie Kean
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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Yeah, I think that's important because he struggled with his humanity, and again, he had disagreements with other people in this field. The big question, as he learned more and more about it, was were these things happening in a reality that we can recognize, or were they happening in some other reality That we can't access.
And he eventually had a kind of a break with Bud Hopkins and Dave Jacobs, who said, oh, these things are real. These things are happening in everyday reality. People are really getting abducted. And the more Mac looked into it. The more he said, you know, I don't know if these things, I mean, we don't see people getting abducted on the street, you know.
I mean, so maybe it's happening in some other reality that we don't understand. So he was equivocal on that. And I thought that was interesting. He was really troubled himself. as to where this was happening. How could this be? And he was as confused as anyone. It's not like he was certain. That's the thing. He was not an ideologue. He was not a... propagandist.
He was troubled, but he was honest enough to admit what he had come across from these accounts from ordinary people telling the most detailed accounts. And by the way, when he would put them in a light stage of hypnosis. and hear their accounts. They were terrified, these people, and that was very convincing to him. He was a psychiatrist.
He knew when people were faking, but when these people would recount their abduction, oh, they're sticking the needle in, oh, my God, they're doing this, they're doing that, he... realized that they weren't making it up. Whatever had happened to these people was real to them and seemed to be real.
He examined and rejected all the other explanations that they were fabricating, they were making it up, they were confused. These were people with a strong sense of reality. He checked them all out. They weren't harboring other trauma that they were transferring into abduction. He heard all these – and by the way, you pushed my button here.
I'm going to say that the so-called skeptics, the debunkers who – are ready to ridicule Mack and others and say, oh, it's clear that this is, you know, these people are fabricating or they're hiding a sexual trauma. They do not know what they're talking about. Mack looked at all these other explanations. and they don't fit. That's the problem.
It is a complete mystery what happened to these people. But they cannot be explained by any explanations that are readily at hand. And this is from an expert psychiatrist, but others who have looked at it have come to the same conclusion. So the so-called skeptics who are ready with an explanation, they can explain it immediately.
Oh, it's clear that these people are, you know, it's a sexual trauma that they're You know, it's not true. It remains a complete mystery.
Yeah. And, you know, he looked at all the other explanations. As I said, this is why the so-called skeptics have it wrong. Mack looked at all these things in order because at first he couldn't believe in himself. He was a skeptic in the beginning. He ridiculed Bud Hopkins at first, saying he must be crazy to believe this stuff. But as John started to look into it, he was more and more intrigued.
So first of all, the phenomenon seems to occur to people across the spectrum, not only in the United States, all over the world, young, old, men, women, not to any particular group of people. And as I said, including young children, who have not been to the movies to see space movies or alien movies. They haven't read alien books.
They would say things that really seem to come out of their experience. And we can get to the stuff in... The Rui in, you know, outside Zimbabwe, the Rua Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, you know, sighting, which came up later. Anyway, so so first of all, he said these things are happening to ordinary people all over the world. And the accounts are basically consistent, which is interesting.
They're not cookie-cutter. They're not all the same. It's not like everyone's reading off a script. But there's a certain consistency to these accounts. These experiences are happening to people all over the world. They describe being in their bedrooms at night or not even at night, riding in a car. and seeing a bright light and then losing track of time and then encountering these beings, etc.
So the accounts were consistent. They were happening to people You know, all over the world of all kinds of different groups. These people had no other traumas. I mean, they were not perfect people. They had sexual experiences. They had been raped. They had had been victims of crime. They'd had, you know, trouble with their family members. So these were not perfect. extraordinary, perfect people.
These were ordinary people with all the baggage that ordinary people have. But these experiences, like a sexual trauma, don't translate to the kind of encounters that they were relating to Mac. So, you know, one by one, he was eliminating all the possibility, the fabrication. When these people were recounting their experiences and reliving the trauma, really terrified.
They could not be making this up. Mac said that based on his experience as a psychiatrist. So he had some expertise to draw on. So he put all this stuff together and he said all the explanations that have been offered don't add up. So what is it? He said, I don't know. But it ain't that and it ain't that. You know, it's something else.
So anyway, that's how he came to the conclusion that, you know, he was in some very strange world. And that's what gripped him.
we're all trained in journalism in following the facts. And there's certain facts we have at hand. We know that there are objects in the sky and under the water that defy explanation. There are pictures of them. They've been detected. They have been documented. And the government basically admits, yeah, these things exist. We don't know about them. After that,
you really get into another realm of speculation. So if you're a journalist pursuing facts, there's certain things you can confirm and verify as fact, and then you sort of get into an area where you can't verify, and there are no hard facts to back it up. So that's the dilemma with this whole subject. And I don't want to belittle the progress we've made.
We now agree, even the government, that these objects exist. We can't explain them. We can capture images and parameters in our sensitive devices, which we never had before, by the way, years ago. So we have equipment that can document that these things exist. That's a big plus. Now, Who's piloting them? Are they intelligent? Where do they come from? Why are they here? What do they want with us?
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