Mary McCarthy

I'd have something on the side, so I'd have a Greek salad or something and I'd like pimp it up with a nice bit of sourdough.

So they wouldn't go starving.

But,

I just kept trying.

And then I also found like presentation, if you make it look really nice.

So I put like a bowl in the middle of the table and I was like, look, you can help yourself.

Try a little bit and see.

And that actually changed the game.

And like, I know with younger kids, you can't really do that because they'll just be like...

you know it's just too messy but like my youngest is nine now and I have this kind of fantasy of you know the big bowls in the middle of the table how Greeks were like you pass around the bowls it's not like you're handed a chop and like a potato and a bit of carrots so I was like this is my fantasy and actually I think that psychologically makes a difference because they're in control they can be like okay I'll try a bit of this and then to my surprise I'd be like oh

They're actually helping themselves, like second courses.

That is, because they eat it now.

I've got into a new rut now, but at least it's like a more adventurous, healthy rut, you know.

And then when you have all the spices in the house, so there's fennel seeds for that recipe.

And then that makes you kind of because you read recipes and like before I'd be like, I know there's like 25 recipes, there's 25 ingredients that that's not for me, you know, but once you have them in the house, you're like, oh, actually, I could make that as well, because I have the fennel seeds or have the cumin seeds or, you know, like I've got all that.

And then I find anyway, when I started being more adventurous, I started going, well, why am I buying pesto?

Like it's so easy to make it and so tasty.

So like I'll make all the pesto.

That's not vegan now, there's parmesan in that.

And then you're on to hummus and then...