Matt Clifford
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475 appearances
20 recordings
6 series
first heard Jan 2026
last heard 21 Aug
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I think you said you thought there was a 60% chance by the end of 2028.
Yeah.
So we're talking, you know, two and a half years to coordinate, you know, the within industry thing is quite challenging.
But with China on not only that we do this, but how we do it.
But it takes two to tango.
I was actually thinking of you last week when Sam Altman and Elon Musk dutifully turned up to court to give evidence in this thing.
And I think like one thing, Jack, I'd love to know whether you, given some of your recent experiences, whether you agree with this in the abstract.
You might not want to talk about specifics.
But actually, one encouraging thought on that is actually American companies show up to court and they sort of broadly do what judges say.
And...
It's a low bar, Matt.
And they do what their governments tell them to do.
And actually, if anything, I think what we've learned over the last six months is that governments will be very assertive.
The US government will be very assertive.
It has a ton of levers at its disposal to make
Companies do what they want to do.
And the idea that the US government couldn't force coordination between these three or four private companies, I think that seems very unlikely to me.
My bigger worry is maybe the CCP, if feeling it's dealing with someone that's coming to the table, will make a deal.
But actually coordinating those two countries to do a deal is not true.
Are you not encouraged though, Rory, by how active the interest of the US government is in this from a national security perspective?
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