Matt Gray

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you know, it fuels my creativity. Um, it's inspiring. Um, I always tell myself like I should slow down a little bit. Um, hence like why I've gotten this home base now in Bali. But that said, I still find myself wanting to like just being pulled to the next spot. Like, Oh, I got to go see Russell and Boise. Why not? This'd be fun. And then, Oh, we'll go to Brooklyn and see some friends there.
And then I think I'm going to go to Lafayette in Norway and probably end up going through Italy for Italy and through Europe, uh, through the summer. And so I don't, I just feel called to do it. And I think No one's freedom is going to look the same. But I definitely think it's important for founders not to give up on their definition of what freedom looks like.
And for some that's wrestling tournaments, you know, and getting back into that and just like going for it, right, which is amazing and inspiring in its own way. And I think it's just important for us not to give up on that part, like the same way that we've created these businesses and created so much impact. It's like lean into that in your own life.
you know do it on your own terms and just be okay with being freaking weird you know the amount i travel is like really weird probably to a lot of people and like that's okay like find your weird and double down on it yeah do you take personality profiles i think i have maybe one time okay or something i think and that's wonderful yeah i don't know i love anyway we have a whole side business it's all about personality profiles but it's fast i'd love to learn that stuff from you i feel like that's a key to like hiring and really dialing it up is really knowing that people humans
Yeah, that's the part. I mean –
i mean i'm not comparing myself to this person at all but i i used to think it was like really weird and then you know you look through history there's actually some like interesting case studies on people that actually they're actually better on the road you know jordan was famous for saying like i love away games like much better you know the crowd taunting you you're in this foreign environment and you're still going to show up and like show them what's what's up um so for me i think uh
you know, I left my house pretty at a pretty young age. So I think there's like something to that probably, um, just being more independent. Um, how old were you when you left? Probably around 17, 16. Um, and so, uh, yeah, just kind of like having to figure it out on my own.
I remember just like always when I was younger, just like, I just wanted to like get away, like just being able to like travel. Um, I came up for a really small town. It's kind of boring. I was just like, oh man, there's just so much out there. Can't wait to do it. And so now when I'm an adult, I'm just like,
seizing it so in terms of the system though to get it right um because i am super productive on the road um i think like a few things like i have a rule as an example like right when i land in a new spot uh i go like straight to the gym uh and like figure out like where like where's the gym where's like these days like a cold bath sauna hope it's in the same spot uh and like just get that rhythm going right away
Because like health is first. And if I don't have that rhythm down, everything kind of like slips from there. In terms of my travel approach to it's like what I'd call like slow travel. I'm not generally trying to go to places for like less than a week. So I'm about to go to Brooklyn. I could be there for just a week, I'm sure, and hit up all the things I needed to do.
But instead, I'll go for a month. Or when I'm going to go to Norway or to Italy, I'll go for at least a month, probably. I was in Japan snowboarding. I didn't just go for a week there. We went for six weeks. So trying to just slow it down a little bit so you can...
like rest you're not just like firing your cortisol at all levels hitting everything and then yeah exactly just bouncing around too fast and it gives me the ability with the business and with other priorities in life just to like take my time um and not feel like i gotta just like unpack and then leave to the next spot um so yeah that's kind of like the philosophy around it and
Yeah, in terms of like, you know, I really like the diversity of like work environments. Other people are different that way. Even I've had like places obviously that I've lived for six months and I've had an insane like work set up that I invest all this money in like this dope desk that has a button that you can like standing desk and these insane screens and all that.
And I'm like, I'm just gonna go to a cafe. You know, and I like just like a change of scenery because I get a little ADD, I think, in a spot and like to just be in a new cafe with a nice new cup of coffee there that I'm trying out and then just like lock in. So that's just I don't know what that is brain wise, but that's just my productivity formula. That's so that's really cool.
Everyone's remote. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. How about you? When you're most locked in, like you're writing this book right now, what's the ideal scene there? Oh, yeah.
like thousands of these things right when you like lock in around a given book maybe you've like determined the table of contents i'd assume at the given part how are you like synthesizing those references into like an organized way yeah like i'm kind of doing this right now i'm like do i print all this stuff out and like paste it on walls and like a beautiful mind or like what do you do here exactly and i'm like gradually getting into a flow but i find myself wandering and like sometimes it's just so much stuff i might organize chaos so so it's um
And I'm just curious, one last thing on the process is like when you have your table of contents, right. Or.
or maybe you've written the first manuscript do you involve people at certain stages of the book so i know people as an example that have like a table of contents nailed down and then they're going to go and talk to say 10 beta readers or 10 founders in their audience whatever and get them to look at it and get some live feedback on it to kind of sculpt it more and then people that also do that on a manuscript maybe once maybe even twice getting like 10 beta readers each time to kind of help them get it right and see where people are blocked like what's your approach there
Yeah.
it's tricky that balance um yeah i think i'm a manuscript like six or seven now and i feel like i'm in that like learning phase of like i'm sure every book after this will be a little bit easier but that first one i'm like man this thing is this is something yeah how long ago did you start it probably it's probably almost like two and a half years ago now i feel like just thrown out different versions because i'm like ah this isn't quite i think what it needs to be and it's been useful i feel like
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