Michael Franzese

We didn't go into that too much. He was more interested. He was really analyzing me. It was kind of an analysis, but it was a good conversation. It was very deep, probably the deepest I've had up to that point.

We didn't go into that too much. He was more interested. He was really analyzing me. It was kind of an analysis, but it was a good conversation. It was very deep, probably the deepest I've had up to that point.

No, I don't think so. But I think the lying thing got to him a little bit. And I said, you haven't changed my mind.

No, I don't think so. But I think the lying thing got to him a little bit. And I said, you haven't changed my mind.

Well, I would lie to help somebody again, yeah.

Well, I would lie to help somebody again, yeah.

Yeah, and he said, because if you're lying to help somebody, in essence, you're hurting them. Because maybe they should have.

Yeah, and he said, because if you're lying to help somebody, in essence, you're hurting them. Because maybe they should have.

Yeah, they should have paid the price or they should have been exposed. And I said, Jordan, I can't go for that.

Yeah, they should have paid the price or they should have been exposed. And I said, Jordan, I can't go for that.

And I totally agree with that, having dealt with drug addicts for a good part of my life. I will say this. People say, are you really a different person? And, you know, I don't live in a pattern of bad things anymore. Because you can't be a Christian and live in a pattern of sin, so to speak. You can't do that. But, you know, you get the same thoughts. You know, you don't act on them anymore.

And I totally agree with that, having dealt with drug addicts for a good part of my life. I will say this. People say, are you really a different person? And, you know, I don't live in a pattern of bad things anymore. Because you can't be a Christian and live in a pattern of sin, so to speak. You can't do that. But, you know, you get the same thoughts. You know, you don't act on them anymore.

You know, and that's what's happening. Because, you know, the Bible says you're a new creation. And I guess you are because you're not doing the things that you might have done before. But it's not that you don't have those thoughts, if you understand what I'm saying. Kind of, yeah.

You know, and that's what's happening. Because, you know, the Bible says you're a new creation. And I guess you are because you're not doing the things that you might have done before. But it's not that you don't have those thoughts, if you understand what I'm saying. Kind of, yeah.

Right.

Right.

Well, I still have the thoughts of... I'll say this, and I get in trouble. I say this in church. We're not in trouble, but I always look at the pastor and say, excuse me for this. But I said, I would have no problem, and maybe you can justify this or not. I would have no problem taking tax money from the government like I did before one time, especially now, knowing what they do.

Well, I still have the thoughts of... I'll say this, and I get in trouble. I say this in church. We're not in trouble, but I always look at the pastor and say, excuse me for this. But I said, I would have no problem, and maybe you can justify this or not. I would have no problem taking tax money from the government like I did before one time, especially now, knowing what they do.

And I can do a lot better with the money than they'll do. So I don't have a moral issue with that. But I wouldn't do it because I'm not going to jeopardize myself, my family by going back to prison, getting in trouble. But morally, I don't have an issue with it. I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just how I feel.

And I can do a lot better with the money than they'll do. So I don't have a moral issue with that. But I wouldn't do it because I'm not going to jeopardize myself, my family by going back to prison, getting in trouble. But morally, I don't have an issue with it. I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just how I feel.