Michael Pollan

And there was this promising research that gets shut down and we lose like 30 years of research that is just now resumed.

Yeah, there are definitely people who shouldn't mess around with these substances. People at any risk of schizophrenia, you know, if you have a relative that has schizophrenia. Yes. Usually bipolar, they don't want you in the studies. You need to leave these drugs alone. Yeah, but people struggling with addiction, anxiety, OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder, trauma. Trauma.

Yeah, there are definitely people who shouldn't mess around with these substances. People at any risk of schizophrenia, you know, if you have a relative that has schizophrenia. Yes. Usually bipolar, they don't want you in the studies. You need to leave these drugs alone. Yeah, but people struggling with addiction, anxiety, OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder, trauma. Trauma.

Yeah, there are definitely people who shouldn't mess around with these substances. People at any risk of schizophrenia, you know, if you have a relative that has schizophrenia. Yes. Usually bipolar, they don't want you in the studies. You need to leave these drugs alone. Yeah, but people struggling with addiction, anxiety, OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder, trauma. Trauma.

Yeah, those are mental disorders that- PTSD, we're gonna talk to somebody later.

Yeah, those are mental disorders that- PTSD, we're gonna talk to somebody later.

Yeah, those are mental disorders that- PTSD, we're gonna talk to somebody later.

Yeah, I mean, people, you know, people, the term recreational is regarded as a negative. I mean, to recreate ourselves doesn't seem that bad. But yeah, there are people who are just doing it for thrills, going to concerts.

Yeah, I mean, people, you know, people, the term recreational is regarded as a negative. I mean, to recreate ourselves doesn't seem that bad. But yeah, there are people who are just doing it for thrills, going to concerts.

Yeah, I mean, people, you know, people, the term recreational is regarded as a negative. I mean, to recreate ourselves doesn't seem that bad. But yeah, there are people who are just doing it for thrills, going to concerts.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

Yeah, it does change consciousness. But the set and setting are very important. So the context in which you do it, you know, if you do it to go to a Grateful Dead concert, it's one thing. If you do it in a room, the way psychedelic therapy is done is you're lying down, you're on a couch, you're wearing eye shades, you're listening to music. It's a very internal journey.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's very different than kids taking mushrooms and walking in the woods where it's all about the sensory thrills.

It's a completely different experience.

It's a completely different experience.

It's a completely different experience.

Right. And the guide is really important.