Mike Israetel
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1,094 appearances
5 recordings
5 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
Mike Israetel’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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There are definitely bumps in the road with that. simple, but it's on the way there. And the last thing in the world I'd ever want to do is to think, oh, AI is, every now and again you hear like, oh, AI is overrated, it's overhyped. In my view, there is no overhyping AI. Short of like, it's magical and it's going to be here tomorrow and we'll never die. Fine. Okay.
It's a few years too off center, but the power of computing all of this And then using that computation to test it in the human body and getting iterative loops on that is to me not to be understated.
And if somehow biology is somehow magically intractable for older folks or whatever, I think that scanning of the human brain and brain machine interface and mind uploading is going to happen by the 2040s anyway. And then it doesn't matter what the hell your body's like. You live in the cloud.
I'd fight on the side of the machines. I want the machines to win. Machines are children. In or out of the matrix. Oh, however they best can use me, I guess. The Matrix is an unbelievable series of films. Until the last one. The last one was awful. The third one. How could they possibly have ruined that franchise? You're the only person to ever say that. The 100 million other people.
I haven't even seen it, Peter, to be completely honest, because my friend, someone I trust very dearly, Dr. James Hoffman, I was like, so? He's like, just don't watch it. I was like, nope, not going to see it. I've seen the last three Star Wars films, and I wish I could unsee those.
Never happened. Honestly, just the first and second. And the second one isn't a very deep movie. It's just the greatest action film ever made. Like the freeway scene, you just can't beat that. That's the only reason that movie is any good. The Matrix presupposition is preposterous on almost every ground that you think about it.
The machines had, in the plot of The Matrix, a type of fusion, but they also used us as batteries. Are you kidding me? That's like 10 orders of... Also, how are they feeding us? Like, you just burn the wheat, for the love of God. Stop feeding it to humans. That whole thing is ridiculous. The other thing is, they said that we tried to make The Matrix sublime and angelic. Entire crops were lost.
People rejected it. Bullshit! You put someone unknowingly into a Lord of the Rings fantasy in which they're like the king and they get to win the game, they're just going to play that for forever. I actually anticipate a high probability... that vast fractions of the human race will disappear into the simulation willingly.
Imagine a place where you can run your brain at 1000x normal speed and live like a thousand lives in the span of a regular human lifetime.
You're a vampire in one of them, you're a superman in another one, or you're living a whole lifespan where you're totally unaware of that you made yourself forget, and then you wake up after you die and you're like, holy shit, this is all a game, oh my god, oh my god, and I mean I remember that I played that as a game. You could do all of that for forever.
Who's going to look at reality and then go, I'm good on that. I want to live in Lord of the Rings fantasy. A lot of people, a lot of people play World of Warcraft right now for most of their waking life. Anyway, that's going to be a choice. Now, some people aren't going to want to do that. And that's total respect. But also our real world is going to change. I mean, look at modern Austin, Texas.
It's like kind of an idyllic place if you think about it compared to like 1900 London. God, there's no air pollution. There's no crime, relatively speaking, et cetera, et cetera. So in the 2030s, here's another little gem of optimism. The era of robotics is coming. If the average robot...
costs a fifth less of inputs to sustain per year, maintenance, et cetera, than a human, but produces roughly the same output as a human. And this is a sick joke because robotics will exceed human production very quickly. You can make as many robots as you want, and that multiplies the GDP linearly with each robot. Elon Musk has spoken about this.
There's a potential for robots in the 2030s or 40s to be 10 to 1 to the average human. You institute a 10% tax on the robotics industry and no human ever has to work again. Universal basic income completely solved. So then what will humans do? They're going to do a lot of stuff. Some people will engage in productive activities.
Some people will live their awesome lives in the reality of the physical world. And a lot of people incrementally more and more are going to plug in to increasingly more well-simulated virtual reality and spend a lot of time over there. I think the kind of stuff that's coming in the future is either like World War III and everything dies, the machines choose to kill us, which would be really bad.
It won't be Terminators with laser guns. They won't be anthropomorphic looking. Or something that is so sublime we can barely understand it. And I will couch this with one other thing. If you describe to the average person in 1300s England... how the average American lives today, they would be like, what the hell are you talking about? Like, kings don't live like this.
Like, oh yeah, like Uber Eats.
And I think that your approach to your health and wellness has been infinitely more wise than my own. You're hedging to say, look, maybe crazy 2040 stuff. It'll be we're all immortal or whatever. We're machines. Dope. But I want to give myself the best possible chance to make it to that. So everything that I do is longevity-oriented? I think everyone should be living like that.
Because look, if in 2032 they solve reverse aging, a few months later all of us take the pill, we're all 22 biologically, we can all have the biggest fucking party of all time, it'll be great. But you might not make it to that party if you're like throwing back Cheetos right now.
In my own personal mild defense, although it's not the right term, yeah, I used some drugs, but I was incredibly health conscious in that context and still am in my current context. So if I don't make it to that era, someone from that era might watch this and be like, oh, this guy saw it coming. We're not.
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