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Nick Pyenson

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The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

They had their own opinions about things.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And certainly Sheba showed that as well.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

We had a refrigerator that was inside the lab so I could keep treats and things in there.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And the chimps were not supposed to go to that refrigerator or open it.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And she walked up to the refrigerator and she's looking at me the whole time, looking back at me and taking very deliberate movements towards the handle like, I'm going to open this.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

What are you going to do about it?

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And it struck me, OK, she's a big chimp now.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

I said, it's fine.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Go ahead and open the door.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And she looked at me and paused for a minute, opened the door, reached in and took out a banana.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And that was sort of our confrontation.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

That was it.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

And I realized I just had to start treating her differently now.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Her superpower, like all of the chimps, was socialized attention.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

That is, she could focus on the problem at hand, ignore noise or anything else going on.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Wild chimps pay attention to things that are important for being a wild chimp.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

But in a captive setting where we were trying to teach them explicit skills, we needed them to be able to focus on the problem at hand.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

It was really the counting work that started us down one path.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

Jim managed to get Digger sent to Sally Boyson's facility at Ohio State University.

The Documentary Podcast
Sheba: Just Like Us?

It was only once he got to Sally Boyson's lab that I learned that he really understood how to be a chimp.