Pastor Cal

Well, you know what?

It's funny because Wendy and I, we're both second-timers.

We tell people that, you know, openly and honestly.

You know, we made some very stupid mistakes.

Well, we didn't, but, you know, our marriages were mistakes.

The first time around, we got married very dumb and very, very, very young.

And, you know, those didn't work.

But we found each other about 18 years ago, and we've been married for 17 years now.

And at the beginning of our marriage, we decided that we're going to make sure that we do what's necessary to help couples avoid marriage.

some of the pitfalls of marriage, of some of the pitfalls you can fall into and some of the issues that can arise just out of bad decisions.

And we feel that we both actually came from environments that were not healthy.

And so we decided that we're going to do everything within our power.

So we started talking to couples.

And as we talked to couples, they got better and better.

And then it grew and grew.

And before we know it, here we are now, you know, roughly about 17, maybe about 16 years, we've been doing this.

You know, I was doing, I was a marriage counselor long before her as a pastoral counselor.

But her with a nursing background, she came aboard and it's been incredible.

She brings a different perspective.

She brings, when we talk to couples, you know, outside of the show, whatever, when we talk to couples individually, it's always great because she brings a perspective that I can't see quite often.