Ryan Holiday

So by stealing from you, yes, they're harming you in the sense they're taking something from you, although the Stokes would go, did you really need it?

You know, did you really lose anything by losing it?

But they're also saying that one thing that did happen is that that person became a thief.

Right.

And and that that is undeniably not a good thing to be.

And so by doing it, they became that thing.

I think that's what Marcus is saying now.

Right.

Look, someone comes and steals your life savings, you know, again, okay, you still have your life, you know, you still have, you know, your character, you still have all these things.

Sure, I think I get what the Stoics are saying.

And yes, that person degraded themselves by being the kind of person that would steal someone's life savings.

But it doesn't change the fact that you now still have to figure out how you're going to afford to live in retirement.

So I think it's a philosophical point that is easier to stomach the smaller the stakes.

But the bigger the stakes doesn't change the same fundamental assumption.

It just means it's so true.

It's just still kind of a big thing that you have to deal with.

Right.

And and again, I bet if you were talking, if you read a passage like that in meditations and then you were talking to Mark Surilis and you were like, OK, but I still have to figure out how I'm going to live in retirement.

I don't think he'd be like.

yeah, we'll get over it.