Steve Holloway

And now I'm in those initial meetings, but then Shah takes it.

And then I'm like, oh my God, what a game changer.

I like the advisory.

I actually...

I quite often look back to the best decision we made, two of the best decisions we made, three of the best decisions we made, were you and Maddie and Marcus.

Yeah.

Number four is our editor, Adam, and the structure that you gave us and the way that you and Maddie came together and helped us think about how things were going to look and how they could look and how we want them to look.

has been just foundational for our growth.

So I would like to get us together again and have another look.

It's kind of like we've outgrown perhaps some of the strategy stuff.

Well, so you build the team first.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We do have these.

So we work really closely with Adam.

No, let me talk about Adam because he was the producer for us when we were at the Herald.

He worked for NZME.

We worked for NZME.

We would get together for a couple of hours on an evening slot.