Sue Gordon

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435 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 27 Jul

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How do you expect somebody below that to know how to adjudicate, oh, should I tell him everything?
Or I'm going to keep something away.
It breaks.
And so you're seeing that failure now.
If he is believable that no one told him that...
the Strait of Hormuz would be closed, it is almost beyond imagining how intelligence has value and our system can work if the person at the top of it who has the most power feels the least responsibility.
I think it is in all our institutions and intelligence is no different.
We've lost so much talent.
There's so much stress inside the system that I think it's probably not as robust as it was, but the women and men that are still there are fighting really hard and pulling really hard.
And I know there are a lot of leaders that are trying to keep their eyes in the boat and
But to your question, Nicole, it does matter whether intelligence is able to remember that its only job is to see what is rather than what is preferred and to be willing to be massively inconvenient in the retelling of that.
And if that doesn't happen, then I would say intelligence has lost its value because that's its role.
I've walked into rooms with leaders whose shoulders slump when I walk in the room because they know I'm about to steal their decision space.
With the truth.
Because that's what we do.
Because policy doesn't require the decision maker to decide in our favor or not.
But our system works because you have to know the whole picture and we bring an important part of the picture.
Yeah, I was watching that live, Nicole.
My PTSD recurs at different times.
And that was one of them.
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