Thomas Winterton

He's been tied into the ranch for quite some time, but not necessarily on our ranch team, if that makes sense.

Yeah, of course.

That's really interesting to know.

Yeah.

So they absolutely did change.

I mean, um, you know, well, Jim Segal had been on the ranch several times before and he'd been working, um, behind the scenes on, on my investigation on my head injury and, and been working on some of the science as well.

Um, Travis was new to the scene.

Uh, you know, we're bringing on a new skeptical scientist and, uh,

When you bring a new scientist down, it almost is like you have to go back to the beginning and say we've done this, this, this, this.

And then they want to, of course, see that for themselves.

They want to be able to verify for themselves what's going on.

And then the investigation –

So it is authentic on TV as far as we're not dramatizing.

It's not scripted.

They left it up to us to do what we wanted to do.

I was never told what to say as far as like, hey, do this or do that.

So it's authentic that way, but it did change the fact that there's a lot of the science that would just put people to sleep.

It's definitely not made for TV.

And so for those couple of months that you have the cameras there, you're really focused more on the visuals side of things.

We've been trying to process the data from the summer filming since the cameras turned off and went away because we gathered a lot of data.