William Quigley

They're not sitting there thinking, I see a problem.

And I am going to see if I can solve that problem using some new tools, right?

And so without insight, you don't build anything very valuable.

And so I understand there are reasons for doing that, but unless there is somebody, and it can happen if you have a very engaged, really creative founder or founders who are still

have insight about a particular market that they're going after, but generally it's a failure.

So that's why I don't have a lot of confidence that this will lead to much.

Though I agree with your conclusion that without the apps, the layer ones don't really have a purpose, right?

Because at the end of the day, you know, if you have a

the Apple App Store, but no one building apps, then it's going to be empty.

No one's going to care.

I would say that the insight there was people looking at companies coming to them, asking them, Hey, you know, do you have any colo space we could use or whatever?

There was a, was a kernel of an external demand.

This latent demand that somebody miraculously did see, right?

But the notion of co-location and virtualized servers, I mean, that was pretty well understood, right?

Yes, yes.

But still, I would give Amazon as an entity credit, notwithstanding the fact that it was all built on open source software, you know, Apache.

Yeah.

Red Hat did most of their work.

But if we look at like a Google, my God, they took the idea of monetizing search from goto.com.

They bought or they acquired the Android operating system.