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Taped FDA Call Exposed mRNA Cardiac Death Of 7YO & VAERS Failures, But New Leaked Letter Reveals FDA Plans Major Overhaul Of Childhood Vaccine Approvals w/ Dr. Joseph Fraiman & Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 563
07 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What alarming findings were revealed in the FDA call regarding mRNA vaccines?
I'm very excited to get with it today. We're going to have Dr. Stephanie Van Watson back for us. A new study or a new article was advocating that perhaps our nutritional recommendations are on saturated fats and dairy products. Not quite very accurate, not quite up to what the standard of science should suggest. Once again, nutritional recommendations, shocking.
Dr. Joseph Freiman, he was with us years ago reporting on a study he had done. Well, he reanalyzed the Pfizer data and lo and behold, There were many deficiencies. We can review some of that. You can follow Dr. Freiman on Joseph Freiman on X-F-R-A-I-M-A-N. And Dr. Stephanie Bette Watson is at MeatFatty15. And Dr. Watson, Dr. Freiman rather, expert in harm-benefit analysis.
He was the medical manager of Louisiana's Urban Search Rescue Disaster Task Force. He's an author in an important study around the Pfizer vaccine.
Chapter 2: How did the FDA respond to reports of pediatric vaccine-related deaths?
And we are going to get to him now that he was in the government for six months. He's now out. He's got a report for us after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.
I'm a doctor for five months.
Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.
Chapter 3: What statistical methods are being used to evaluate vaccine safety?
If you have trouble, you can't stop, and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And Dr. Joseph Freiman joins us now. Joe, it is such a privilege to talk to you again. I have looked forward to this moment since our original interview after you did the big study around the Pfizer vaccine.
We rolled in a little tape before the show started, and in that tape, you were describing the holy shit moment reported by the pediatric rheumatologist who'd had a child die of the vaccine. I want to come forward from that last interview. My first question, though, is did the FDA ever follow up on that pediatric death?
Yes. Yes, they did. The rheumatologist, he did email them. And yes, it was followed up on and he did end up getting it reported after a meeting with the directors of essentially FDA's divisions on vaccine approval and safety.
But the problem, I would posit, was I want to know this piece of the story. Even if they followed up with him, I have seen so many situations where I am absolutely clear clinically that these are vaccine reactions that the FDA guy, they got a guy who decided it's not a vaccine reaction.
Chapter 4: What new evidence challenges the safety of mRNA vaccines for children?
So did that guy decide that this pediatric death was not related to the vaccine?
Well, we know for sure, actually, that during that period of time that this particular incident was not considered a vaccine induced death because they have not they have their through all their evaluations, they have said that they have not they had never found one. They had never found a vaccine induced death.
And that was until until recently, until well, now we know through this leaked email with with Vinay Prasad, who's the director of the Center for Biologics, CBER, and they are now reporting that they have 10 autopsies of pediatric cases that are showing likely caused by the vaccine. These are not new cases. These did not occur in 2025, as your quote here is clear.
These were there when they were analyzing this prior to the current directors at the FDA. So yeah, they did not initially consider this one And I don't know if the new if that one of the 10 that is being referred to is is one is the one that is from the rheumatologist. I can say that they reported that the ages were seven to 16.
So it's possible that it is given that this child who tragically did die was was a seven year old.
And in his letter, Dr. Vinay Prasad, who I've spoken to on this program before, and he's been saying exactly what is in that letter for about four years, but okay. But he says something very specific and what we just showed up on the screen here was no fewer than 10 deaths. Meaning there may be quite a few more, but categorically not less than 10.
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Chapter 5: How does the FDA plan to overhaul childhood vaccine approvals?
What was that based on? Is there a mechanism or was there some brain inflammation? What did they see that led them to say this categorically is vaccine related?
We don't have the details because this is all from just a leaked email. The whole report isn't out, but presumably it's from autopsy data. And when you're doing autopsy work that is looking at the cause of death, it is a difficult, sometimes quite a difficult task to figure out what is the exact cause. And in all fairness, it's never...
often there are situations where it can't be determined with 100% certainty. And you basically, you say, this is one of the causes, and then you rule out that it couldn't be any of the other causes. I would presume for these 10, that given based on the letter and the discussion of myocarditis,
that these particular autopsy reports they're referring to were likely children who had confirmed myocarditis on autopsy, probably within a certain proximity of the timing of the death of the vaccine. And they couldn't find any alternative cause probably of the myocarditis. That's the most likely way that these would be done.
And I know that Tracy Beth Hogue and Vinay Prasad had been working on this. And as they report, it's an ongoing investigation into these cases to determine these causes of death.
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Chapter 6: What role does nutritional science play in public health recommendations?
And I know that they're... very disciplined on this and they most likely have done a very good job in analyzing all of these data they had 97 or 96 deaths that they were reviewing and these are the 10 that they felt were that where they felt that there was probably no other likely cause and that the only likely situation is that it was the vaccine.
And if you think about it with 10 of those, there's very, very few myocarditis deaths in general in the country, probably in double digits, it would be my estimate. There's not a very good estimate of how often they occur, but when you think about how many of those would even just occur by random chance in the days after the vaccine, the likelihood of it being just random, it's quite unlikely.
Well, and when I think about the deleterious effects of cardiac inflammation and myocarditis, I think about cardiomyopathy years down the road. We don't even have that data yet. So that'll be interesting, number one. And then number two, I really wonder about some of these athletes that were dropping and things and what that might have been. And was it pulmonary embolus? Was it myocarditis?
Rather than having a guy that walks by and goes, no, no, no, no, no. It seems like this is a sign that there's going to be a much more systematic analysis of what happened.
Yeah, I would hope so.
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Chapter 7: How do saturated fats affect overall health according to recent studies?
I mean, when we compare this to how COVID deaths are determined for this entire time, the counting board of COVID deaths where you had COVID within 30 days or so of the death and it was counted as a COVID death. So the standard for how we're calculating, how we're determining the causes of death here is not equal, right?
and and but i hope that you know i think that benaiah and tracy here on this particular project probably have identified cases that are going to be uh quite convincing would be my guess but i i actually think that when you just the the autopsy cases they bring attention to the problem but the real problem here is not
we the problem is brought up in the letter and that he says very clearly he asks the question did the covid vaccine in these in children cause more death than it prevented and he answered this by saying we honestly cannot know we don't know the answer to that and here we now have these likely deaths that were caused by the vaccine
And we have no ability to determine if the vaccine has caused more harm or or benefit in children. And the reality is we we never knew that when the vaccine was unleashed, when it was first authorized. And this was a thing we had talked about years ago when I was on the show, that there's just uncertainty. We literally cannot tell if this vaccine is helping more than it's hurting.
And it's just belief. We've been basing it all on belief of the government was believing that this was going to lead to more benefit than harm. But without actually data to support it, without the randomized trials, which are necessary to determine this.
And that's, I believe the most important takeaway from this is that we didn't need to have them identify 10 children who were killed by the vaccine to know that we didn't have the knowledge if this vaccine was killing more than it saved.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the recent findings on C15 fatty acids?
And I've quoted you a million times since you pointed out irrational certitude. Irrational certitude is religious belief, essentially. And rational uncertainty is scientific posture. It's an objective posture. It's an ascension to an approximation of the truth, knowing you will never fully know whether you're there or not. But to say we are there, the QED, case closed, that is insane.
That is religion. That is not science.
Yes. Right. Irrational certitude. I always called it, it was irrational confidence, actually, would be the idea. You could even say irrational hubris. And it is, but the sad part about this irrational confidence that that many people in the country have towards these vaccines, it's sad that these are scientists. And these were scientists who were running our government.
And I think that the country is actually quite lucky to have someone like Vinay Prasad there, who is definitely not an irrationally confident person. He is rationally uncertain. He's very clear cut in that he is saying, we don't know. He didn't say that they caused more death than they, or they saved more death. He was very clear cut and that he was showing that we're uncertain.
And, but that is the, it's like, thank you that we have a rational human being in charge of the approvals of these biologics.
And yet you had people identifying themselves as physicians, such as Francis Collins, saying publicly into a microphone, we didn't take risk-rewarding denial. We didn't care. What were the risks? We just wanted to stop this thing. Like, oh my God, he said it out loud. That is an indictment. That is disgusting. It is the opposite of the practice of medicine.
I don't understand why that wasn't just a national scandal.
Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous viewpoint on how we're going to deal with novel substances that we're going to inject into people. I think that in general, we need to...
And in this letter, you know, there's actually it's an incredible letter I found that and he made so many great points in it and what he took from this and this idea that we don't know if the vaccine harmed or saved more, you know, which this mystery, I guess. And he took that and he pushing it into our policy and saying, we cannot allow this to happen anymore.
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