WarRoom Battleground EP 1060: AI And The Coming Apocalypse

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What urgent risks does the AI documentary 'The Day After' analog address?

Unknown 0:00

If this technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. What? Your fear of AI is the collapse of humanity. Well, not the collapse, the abrupt extermination. There's a difference.

Tristan Harris 0:20

So I started making this movie because my wife is six months pregnant. It is now a terrible time to have a kid at home. I mean, just to be honest, I know people who work on AI risk who don't expect their children to make it to high school.

Unknown 0:38

How does AI understand pretty much everything? It's surprisingly straightforward.

Tristan Harris 0:43

Intelligence is about recognizing patterns. If you have learned those patterns, you can generate new information. AI is moving so fast.

Unknown 0:55

It's being deployed prematurely. There's so much potential for things to go wrong. Why can't we just stop?

Tristan Harris 1:03

All these companies are in a race to get AI that's vastly more intelligent than people within this decade. China, North Korea, Russia.

Unknown 1:11

Whoever wins is essentially the controller of humankind. We need to take a threat from AI as seriously as global nuclear war. It feels like I have to find these CEOs and get them in the movie. Great. I wanna ask you to promise me that this is gonna go well. That is impossible. Okay. Am I hopeful? Yes. Am I confident that it'll go right? Absolutely not. AI is the thing that can solve climate change. We could cure most diseases. What if it's expanding what is humanly possible? This is the most extraordinary time ever.

Tristan Harris 1:53

The only time more exciting than today is tomorrow. I already love you. I think if this technology goes wrong, it can go quite wrong. By using AI, we're about to move off of the Earth into the cosmos. If we can be the most mature version of ourselves, there might be a way through this.

Unknown 2:18

This is the last mistake we'll ever get to make.

Stephen K. Bannon 2:26

Thank you. I want to introduce Tristan Harris, a Center for Humane Technology co-founder. Tristan, tell me about that film. It's pretty freaking scary. I think it comes out in September, October 2020. Let me – first off, are you part of this modern – are you a modern Luddite? Or are you one of these anti-tech – look, I've been accused of that, and I hate to say it. I'm probably closer than that than any type of support for these oligarch tech bros. And right there in your trailer – I mean, it's up in your grill. It's up in your face. And to me, it's the American people got to step up here because they ain't hiding anything except what they're doing on the large on these models that they don't want to have mandatory testing on.

Stephen K. Bannon 3:15

So walk me through. Are you a Luddite? What is the Center for Humane Technology? The floor is yours because that trailer has got strong interest. I can already tell you from the worm posse just in the chat room. Your thoughts, sir.

Tristan Harris 3:29

Well, Steve, it's great to be here. Thank you for for having me. And you mentioned that this film looks scary. I mean, I think you're familiar with the history of another film that this was actually kind of inspired by, which was the film The Day After in 1982. I think it was right. And it was a film that was sort of making visible and visceral what would happen with the last existential technology that humanity created, which is nuclear weapons. And that film was aired to 100 million Americans. It was also aired, as you know, in the Soviet Union and had a role in helping to make the first arms control talks happen between President Reagan and President Gorbachev. And, you know, while it is scary to confront the reality of that technology, it was through that confrontation that we negotiated something else to happen other than nuclear Armageddon.

Tristan Harris 4:17

And I think there's a similar inspiration here. which is, you know, as you said, you know, these tech oligarchs and these oligarchs, they're you know, we people know our work mostly through the last film that we did called The Social Dilemma on Netflix. It was very popular. It was actually one of the most popular documentaries Netflix had ever done. And that was really about the social media insiders who said, look, we invented the like button. We created the infinitely scrolling newsfeed.