Actor Jon Bernthal on grit, dedication & the teacher who saved him
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This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. My guest today, Jon Bernthal, has spent two decades playing the kind of men you'd want to avoid. And somehow he makes you root for them anyway. This summer, he's in two major films, reprising his role as the Punisher in the upcoming Spider-Man movie and starring in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. His breakout role in 2010 was as Shane on The Walking Dead, a sheriff's deputy protecting a band of survivors from zombies until he becomes the greater threat. He won an Emmy as Mikey, the brother whose ghost haunts every episode of The Bear. And this year, he starred in the Netflix hit series His and Hers and appeared on Broadway and Dog Day Afternoon. Bernthal says he couldn't have predicted any of this.
He grew up in Washington, D.C., a baseball player better known for fighting than acting. And by his own telling, he was a kid headed in the wrong direction. An acting teacher saw something in him and sent him of all places to one of the world's toughest classical theater conservatories in Russia. He returned transformed. co-founded a theater company, performed in dozens of stage productions, and spent years grinding through sitcom guest spots and small film roles before his break finally came. In The Odyssey, Bernthal makes his Christopher Nolan film debut, playing Menelaus, king of Sparta. A few weeks into production, in the Moroccan desert, the cast shot the Trojan horse sequence, one of the film's most iconic scenes.
Matt Damon's character and more than a dozen warriors cram inside the belly of the horse, waiting to invade Troy. The horse sits partially submerged, and Bernthal draws the short straw, neck deep, treading in freezing water that was supposed to be heated. And word has it, as Bernthal stood there shivering, Nolan offered to pull him out, but he refused. John Bernthal, welcome to Fresh Air.
Thank you so much for having me. It's a real honor.
Why did you refuse to get out of that cold, freezing water?
Boy, I don't feel like I drew the short straw at all. I think any time, you know, that you really care about something or you believe in something, if you have the opportunity to sort of be the one to say, send me first, let me show you what I can do. I feel like our grit and our dedication is the one thing that we have control of in this world. And I love doing this. I love that I got to work hard
How did Jon Bernthal get cast in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey and what was the Trojan horse shoot like?
for Chris and with Chris. And if he wanted to send somebody, I wanted to be that first one for sure. I think that's, you know, I would jump at that again.
It's interesting Matt Damon said you pushing through that uncomfortable moment. I mean, like really, because it was the hardest role he said he's ever played just physically. And so to see you sit in that uncomfortable situation actually pushed him to push through his discomfort. Tell us a little bit about that character and the significance of you being submerged in that water for all of that time.
Look, you know, so kind of Matt to say that, but like I said, I really wouldn't have had it any other way. You know, when you look at that film and the experience for the folks that made it, I remember my first day arriving there. Just seeing the look in his eyes. He's a guy I know. He's a guy that I respect deeply. Yeah, for sure. And just, you know, the first words he said to me when I saw him on this beach with thousands of extras in Morocco right after traveling across the world. He just said, John, I've never seen anything like this before. I said, me too, man. But if you haven't seen it, well, no one has. And I thought that on this film specifically, yeah. You know, there was a group of men that were Odysseus's men that were in this journey throughout the whole piece.
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Chapters
5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:55
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How did Jon Bernthal get cast in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey and what was the Trojan horse shoot like?
2:55–12:18
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Why did Bernthal refuse to be pulled from freezing water on set and what does he say about grit and dedication?
12:18–22:25
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What negotiations shaped Bernthal’s portrayal of the Punisher in the new Spider-Man film?
22:25–47:05
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How did Bernthal’s Quaker school upbringing and meeting-for-worship ritual influence his emotional growth?
47:05–49:48
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