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Life Kit

The power of an accountability buddy to help get things done

14 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What common challenges do people face when setting goals?

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On NPR's Wildcard podcast, actor Tim Blake Nelson reflects on his career before movies.

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6.058 - 18.132 Tim Blake Nelson

Well, my first job was working at the Tulsa Beef Company to pay off legal debts from having been arrested for public intoxication.

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Watch or listen to that Wildcard conversation on the NPR app or on YouTube at NPR Wildcard. You're listening to Life Kit from NPR.

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31.672 - 40.168 Marielle Segarra

Hey, everybody. It's Marielle. It's a classic story. We set these big resolutions on New Year's Eve and then drop them by mid-January.

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Chapter 2: How can an accountability buddy help you achieve your goals?

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And this happens throughout the year, too. We have goals, but life and our routines and habits get in the way. One thing that can help is the buddy system. Francisco Ramirez, who lives in New York, kind of intuitively knew he needed this. He has this stuffed animal rabbit that he keeps on his desk.

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This is Memo, Memo the rabbit.

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Actually, he calls it Memo the high-five rabbit because for a while, every time he finished a task... I would give Memo a high-five and we'd celebrate.

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I had other versions of this with a paper squirrel. I did all sorts of fun sort of motivating tools.

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But an inanimate object could only provide so much support.

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So I remember specifically searching high and low for something that would connect me to somebody who wasn't a stuffed animal or a paper squirrel.

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Francisco started searching for real-life human accountability buddies. An accountability buddy is someone who you partner with to work on goals together. This can look a lot of different ways. You can know the person before or not. You can be working towards the same goals or different ones.

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But what we've heard over and over again is the buddy system works for people, keeps them accountable and motivated. People like Leah Schaefer, who lives outside of Houston.

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I would sit there in our Zoom meetings and think I should, quote unquote, should be able to do this alone. But there is some kind of like there's some magic in it. Like it's I highly recommend it.

Chapter 3: What should you consider when searching for an accountability partner?

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Leah Schaefer is writing a novel about vampires.

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She goes to his hill country home and they sort of trade blood for a safe place for a little while.

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The year before Leah met her accountability buddy, Jamie, she'd written maybe one draft of this book. But this year?

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177.378 - 194.485 Leah Schaefer

I've rewritten this three times, I think maybe three and a half. And I wrote two more books, terrible books, but each better than the last. I definitely don't think I would have gotten the work done this last year if I hadn't had Jamie as my buddy and met every week.

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We heard from Francisco Ramirez earlier. He's the one with the stuffed rabbit. He uses Focusmate, a website that matches you with a stranger, and you get on a video call, tell each other your goals, then mute yourselves for your 25, 50, or 75-minute session and check in at the end. He's done more than 6,000 of these sessions. Yeah, he's really into it.

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And he's used it to stay on task with lots of things.

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Anything from knocking out contracts, blazing through invoices, writing my book, studying French, writing thank you notes, whatever it may be.

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Francisco has seen his Focusmate buddies do all sorts of things too. Practice their juggling, work on jigsaw puzzles.

Chapter 4: How do you establish a productive accountability relationship?

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Maybe you want to cook more or do those exercises your physical therapist gave you. If you've struggled to make the time and space on your own, you might benefit from an accountability partner. Takeaway one, accountability buddies can be powerful and effective in helping you reach all sorts of goals.

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Ayelet Fishback is a professor of behavioral science and marketing at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. And she says we need each other.

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We know that people are social animals. We know that people work in groups. People have been working in groups from the beginning of times. We do things with others and when others are not around, they are in our mind.

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One related finding from Ayelet's research is that in the presence of other people, our actions feel more meaningful to us. And that's true even if they're strangers.

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We had people in China playing badminton as part of some event. And when there were more people in the audience, they felt that they either contributed more to the win or contributed more to the loss. But what they did mattered.

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So this might be one reason accountability buddies work for people. Another is that we've been conditioned to do well in this setup where we have to report our progress to somebody else. Cynthia Pong is the founder and CEO of the career coaching firm Embrace Change.

336.946 - 356.357 Cynthia Pong

Most of us grew up through some sort of school system where there's a lot of structure and you have to do things on a certain timeline within this container. turn things in, someone else is grading, like there's that entire dynamic. And so it becomes really ingrained. Cynthia says accountability buddies can also help because they create defaults in our lives.

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We've got a thousand reasons why we shouldn't do the thing. But if it's like a standing situation and you just get into that routine, it will just become reflexive. You don't make room for that risk that you're going to fall off the wagon.

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By the way, the social pressure that comes with having an accountability buddy might work especially well on you if you're the kind of person who likes to please others. So you want to try it out? Takeaway two, look for an accountability buddy who's reliable, who wants to see you succeed, and who can encourage you in a way that fits both of your personalities.

Chapter 5: What are effective strategies for tracking progress with an accountability buddy?

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Or they say they're not coming? And then they do come. Yeah, they're not your best bet for an accountability buddy. No, you want steady Eddie. You want reliable Rhonda. And you want the person who's counting on you to show up, too.

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420.388 - 434.65 Cynthia Pong

I would look more for character traits of people who have a certain level of discipline around these things and also are not afraid to be like, hey, Marielle, we said we would do this. I know that you don't want to, but I'm going to be here at this time. So please come.

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As you're auditioning folks for this role, also consider what kind of encouragement you like. What motivates you? Daniel Wood is 35. He's a graphics reporter at NPR. He lives in a suburb outside of D.C. And three days a week, he meets up with other neighborhood dads to pump iron.

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451.696 - 463.354 Daniel Wood

We get a text every night the night before, 5.45 a.m. It's all it says. It says 5.45 a.m. And there's sort of an expectation that if you're not going to be there, then the person's going to bug you the next time you see them.

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Now, if he has a good reason, maybe they'll cut him some slack. But if he just slept in or something, he's going to hear about it. And that works for him.

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The optimal amount of shaming in the world is not zero, especially if you consent to it.

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See, for me, the shaming would backfire. I'd get annoyed and stop showing up. Me, I don't want tough love. I don't want a boot camp instructor. I want a cheerleader. And also somebody who'll show up, remind me how much I've accomplished, and tell me to keep going. Cynthia says whatever it is you need, tell your prospective partners.

Chapter 6: How can you troubleshoot issues in your accountability arrangement?

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Then it's great to explain that to the other person so that they can also be like, yes, I can do that. Or to be honest and be like, listen, I truthfully don't know if I'm going to be able to provide that for you. Now you might be thinking, where am I going to find these people?

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could be anywhere, really. Daniel got connected with his group when some guy at a holiday party invited him. A year later, they're all best friends. You could also look for or ask around about an existing group, a writing group, a roller skating club, people who meet up and talk about spirituality or their career goals, whatever it is that you're into.

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Or if you already have a friend who you think could be a good fit, ask them. But your accountability partner does not have to be someone you already know. Leah, the vampire novelist, and her accountability buddy, Jamie, met online.

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543.158 - 559.718 Leah Schaefer

I was on TikTok and just some random dude was like, does anybody want to be accountability buddies with me? And I was like, I don't even know what that is, but sure, I'll try it. And he's an author too. And I just, I said yes. And then we met, I think that same week on Zoom.

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And I don't think either of us knew exactly what it was going to look like, but we have been meeting every week, every Friday at nine o'clock for over a year now.

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And Leah says they've become friends, but their relationship was formed for this purpose, to work on their creative writing. And that is their primary intention.

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And then we can kind of chit-chat afterwards about what we're doing in our lives.

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For her, this dynamic keeps things simpler.

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I have a sister. She's a writer, too. And I don't think we could do it because we talk too much, you know, about other things.

Chapter 7: What are the benefits of building friendships through accountability partnerships?

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Maybe this is going to be a person who exercises in their own way. Maybe you meet after you had your separate exercises for a cup of coffee. Maybe you exchange notes by the end of the day or the end of the week. We'll have more Life Kit after the break.

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That brings us to takeaway three. Get clear about your goals and track your progress. So you found your buddy. Yay. What are y'all supposed to do now? You can start by setting some goals. Specificity can be helpful here. At first, Leah and Jamie were bringing a wide ranging to-do list to the table. They'd set goals like, I want to clean my cabinets this week.

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But that got too big and amorphous for them.

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So I do think one of the pitfalls is trying to have an accountability buddy for all of your goals. I think narrow it down to, you know, whatever this one thing you're meeting about is.

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They decided to make their sessions just about writing. They meet every Friday morning. He tells her his goals for the week. She tells him hers. Here's an example from the week we interviewed her.

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When we meet on Friday, I am supposed to have gone through my first 10 chapters in my novel for revisions and recorded five TikToks. And he's doing, you know, he'll do some marketing, book marketing, because he's got some books out. He'll do some writing goals.

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And they go through the list from the week before. Did you do this? If yes, great. Excited for you. If no, not a huge deal. They also set monthly, quarterly, and yearly goals.

Chapter 8: What are the key takeaways for finding and maintaining an accountability buddy?

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Ayelet Fishback says when you're thinking about goals, it helps to break them down into smaller pieces. What am I going to do this week, this month? Because there's this phenomenon called the middle problem.

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You see a lot of enthusiasm at the beginning, then motivation declines. Then when you're about to reach the goal again, you... See an uptick in motivation. So it's kind of a U-shape. For instance, imagine you're saving to buy a house or you're saving for retirement.

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This is so big and so far that unless we break it into how much I'm going to save this year, it's really hard to feel like your efforts pay off in any way.

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So maybe you and your accountability partner say, we're going to work out this many times this week, or I'm going to write this many pages of my book and you are going to do X, Y, Z. Talk to your accountability partner about what kind of check-ins will keep you both motivated. And this might change over time. Francisco has an accountability buddy outside of Focusmate.

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They meet every Sunday at 10 a.m. And when they first started doing it, they created an Excel spreadsheet that each would fill out with their goals and lots of other details.

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Anticipated obstacle, solution and action item, action items and tasks. How did I do? What worked? What didn't work?

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And they'd monitor each other's progress during the week.

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Originally, it was very much like, did you go for that walk today? Oh, I see the checkmark. Yes, you did. Nice work.

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Eventually, they stopped doing that and realized that the Sunday meetups were enough to keep them both on track. But, you know, life happens. And that's when you look to take away four. If you feel like you're getting way off track or your accountability arrangement is not working for you, troubleshoot. Try something different.

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