The weak spot in this job market
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What does the latest jobs report reveal about long-term unemployment?
On this Jobs Friday, we'll read the tea leaves on the labor market. Plus, talk about some actual tea. Keep the kettle on. From American Public Media, this is Marketplace.
In Denver, I'm Amy Scott, in for Kai Risdahl. It is Friday, January 9th. Good to have you with us. Well, the Supreme Court kept us in suspense over the fate of President Trump's sweeping tariffs. Many were hoping for a ruling today on the legality of many of those tariffs. But that gives us more time to talk about today's jobs report in our weekly wrap. The Labor Department says employers added just 50,000 jobs in December. That's adjusted for seasonality. And it's down slightly from the month before. With me to break it down are Catherine Rampell at the Bulwark and MS Now and Heather Long, chief economist at Navy Federal Credit Union. Hello, you two.
Hi Amy. Hey.
Hi Amy. All right, Katherine, let's start with you. Not only was hiring pretty weak last month, but weaker than we thought for the prior two months as well. How would you characterize the job market right now based on this report? It's not so great. If you look under the hood, we have lost jobs in most industries year over year. Manufacturing has been doing quite poorly. A number of other industries have been doing quite poorly. The only industries that seem to be doing okay, if you take that 12 month long view, is are basically health care and social insurance, leisure, private education, just a few areas of services. But blue collar jobs in particular, not doing so great. And there seems to be a fair amount of fragility in this economy.
I mean, and yet, Heather, the unemployment rate is still pretty low at 4.4 percent.
How is the current job market impacting different industries?
Wage growth improved last month. How concerning is this overall slowdown in hiring in that context?
Yeah, it's really an interesting discussion. I mean, Amy, the way that I would look at it is we've basically been stuck around 4.4% unemployment since September. So we're probably not getting a lot worse in the last few months, but it's hard to make a case that things really look like they're getting better. I would characterize this as a hiring recession. That's not an official economic term, but nobody wants to live in a world where pretty much the only places hiring are hospitals and restaurants. That's just not very healthy for the economy and not a very dynamic economy.
So, Catherine, a wrinkle in this report is that President Trump actually posted a chart on his social media last night that included some data from this morning's jobs report before it was released. It's generally considered a no-no to share this data in advance, even though, you know, people in the executive branch are briefed on the data. How much of a breach is that? It's a huge breach. This is not just about violating norms or propriety, things like that. Somebody probably made a fair amount of money off of that early tweet. These numbers are kept under lock and key because they move markets. So this is about preventing some insiders from potentially scrutinizing that tweet and reading the tea leaves and noticing that the numbers that he posted, because he posted some year-over-year numbers that reflected the inclusion of the December figures.
If you had scrutinized that and you had realized that, oh, no, he was not using publicly available data, Those numbers must imply some not yet released data. You could have made a lot of money. And those of us who have 401ks, who are more passive investors, you stood to lose a lot of money because there was somebody who had insider information. So this is a very big deal. I've been trying to explain this to people that it's not just like, oh, the wonks and, you know, others are are frustrated by all of this because there's this memo that says that they're not supposed to do it. No, this is there's real money on the line. This was a big, big deal. Right. Heather, what are you hearing about this and what it means for the future of kind of the integrity of this data?
Well, that's the big question. Now that the genie's out of the bottle, can you prevent the president from doing it again and again?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does the latest jobs report reveal about long-term unemployment?
0:02–2:07
2
How is the current job market impacting different industries?
2:07–4:52
3
What are the implications of the recent hiring slowdown?
4:52–7:56
4
How has President Trump's actions affected the integrity of job data?
7:56–10:20
5
What role does AI play in the future of agriculture?
10:20–14:11
6
How are businesses adapting to economic uncertainty?
14:11–16:56
7
What challenges are small businesses facing in the current market?
16:56–18:35
8
How is climate change influencing business strategies in agriculture?
18:35–28:13