What If You're Not Stuck? Creativity, Burnout, and Reimagining Your Life | Ep. 299
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What is the episode’s main focus on creativity and play?
This month, we are diving into creativity and play. And today's episode might completely change the way that you think about both. Dr. Tasha Golden shares why creativity isn't just for artists. It's a skill that helps us reimagine our lives, break old patterns and stop living on autopilot. So let's do this. Welcome to Plan Goal Plan, a podcast where ambition meets balance. I'm Danielle McGue. I'm a professor, speaker, mom, recovering overachiever, and self-leadership coach for high-achieving women. At the intersection of research, practice, and play, I discovered a path to planning and goal-setting that's bold, balanced, and sustainable. Together, we'll reclaim your time, empower your goals, and create a life where you thrive at work and at home.
Grab a pen. Let's get started. Hello, Tasha. Welcome. I'm so glad that you're here. Oh, thank you for having me. So your bio is bananas. You have had so many amazing life experiences. So you are a songwriter turned behavioral scientist. Is that correct? Yes. Oh my goodness. And you've spoken at all of the places. So Google Mayo Clinic. Politico, you have written some stuff that sounds pretty important. So I want to know the story behind the story. Tell us a little bit about songwriter turned behavioral scientist. What's that journey look like?
Yeah, to the point of your podcast title, it was definitely not the plan, not the plan. The work that I do now was not plan B or plan Z. I could not have imagined this work. But yeah, from the time I was a really little girl, I wanted to write songs and travel the world and perform them. And I got to do that for a lot of years. I'm really glad to work with some amazing musicians and felt really fulfilled in a lot of ways with that work. But a couple things happened while I was touring that wound up changing the trajectory of my career. The first is that I had written songs about difficult things. This was my way of processing difficult life experiences. So I had songs about things like my history of depression or my family's history of domestic violence.
And wherever we went in the world, those were always the songs that people lined up after concerts wanting to talk to me about. And they would share often their own experiences. really personal experiences with these same kinds of things. People sharing about abuse histories or suicide ideation. And many of those people would tell me that I was the first person they had ever told. And that was always such an honor to me, but it also made me think, oh, okay, if I'm the first person that they've ever told, that means they haven't told a doctor or a therapist, not even a spouse or partner in many cases. And it made me interested in what's going on there? Like, why? What is it about music or about a music venue or about a songwriter?
that comes into your town. What is it about these things that make people able to say things that they've literally never said before out loud to another person? That was the first thing that happened. The second thing is that, like a lot of people in the music industry, I ran into catastrophic burnout, major depression. At the end of a tour that was for our most ambitious project up to that time, I came home and got into bed and couldn't get out for weeks. And I knew then that I wasn't going to tour anymore. I realized I didn't know who I was. I was like, if I can't be a musician, what am I going to do with my future? Do I even want a future? I had to completely reimagine what I thought I was doing on the planet, what my future was going to be.
And during that time, I kept coming back to that question of what was it about music that was making things making it possible for people to articulate themselves and their experiences in a different way. Why was it like that? It's a kind of long and winding story, but I pulled on the threads of its questions till I wound up with a PhD in public health, specializing in the effects of arts and creativity and culture on our brains and bodies, our behaviors, and what that can mean for our individual and collective well-being and our futures.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the episode’s main focus on creativity and play?
0:00–3:52
2
How does Tasha Golden’s journey from songwriter to public‑health researcher shape her view of creativity?
3:52–14:48
3
Why does Tasha say burnout can be an invitation to re‑imagine your life?
14:48–22:23
4
How can we use creativity to navigate major life transitions and behavior change?
22:23–23:55
Speakers
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