S2 Ep1008: Jon Lovett: A Worst Case Scenario Comes Into View
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Who are the hosts and guests of this episode?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to have back former speechwriter for Hillary Clinton and Barry Obama, co-founder of Crooked Media, host of Love It or Leave It, as well as the YouTube show, Taking the World by Storm, called Speech Center. He does it with me. Go check it out if you haven't. It's John Lovett. How you doing, man? Hi, Tim. It's good to see you.
Our show, Speech Center, by the way. Yeah. It's the hit of the channel. It's actually kind of hurting my feelings.
It's the hit of the Love It or Leave It channel?
Yeah, that's right.
I like praise, just as a general matter. But this type of positive feedback is particularly meaningful to me because the other guests you have on the channel are way more famous than me and more talented. You have all these A-list celebrities, people famous on gay TikTok you have on, and you make jokes together, and yet the people still want me. That's nice.
They want you. They want... They want the gay Republican versus gay Democrat anti-Trump. I don't know what you'd call it. The frisson. You know, they want that.
They want the kind of faux tension. Right. You know, that we offer. Okay. Well, that's great. I love it. Everyone should check it out if they haven't. Last time you were here on our side of the inner tubes, on the bulwark side, that was one week after the election. You cried famously as covered by Fox News Primetime.
They didn't discover it. You put it in the fucking thumbnail. So they were like Columbus discovering America. You know, it was set up for them. It was ready. So, you know, there's only a couple of times I played on Fox.
Personally, I'm pro-crying, so I didn't think I was insulting you. I've yet to cry myself since the election. I'm assuming that that means I'm going to completely break down at Bourbon Pub and Parade at some point this year. It hasn't happened yet. But I wanted to take the lens back today instead of getting specifically into the fucking Signalgate news and the micro. Sure. And just... See what you're feeling and seeing after 67 days of this shit. What's most acute to you? Are there any surprises, any changes since you cried?
So first of all, that was sort of my one and done. I regret that it happened with you, but it sort of hit me in that moment and haven't felt that calm since. It is strange, right? Because we had that conversation before we saw... what is now unfolding, which is basically a worst case scenario. Like I was talking about this with John and Tommy yesterday because Obviously, there are many ways in which what we could be seeing unfolding. There are many ways it could be worse. There are many ways it could be more destructive. They could be more vile, more feckless about basic rights and due process. But it's hard to imagine a version of the Trump administration unfolding in which they are doing more and bad things now.
Without getting the blowback that might hurt them, right? They are on this sort of razor's edge. They're pushing the bounds, obviously, of due process and deporting people without evidence, including people that have nothing to do with the roundups they're claiming that they do. They are playing footsie with... the Constitution and just sort of claiming they're following orders, not following orders. They're ignoring Congress completely on spending. They're putting on tariffs. They're taking tariffs off. It's all very destructive, but it is like, in a way, I hate to say that it feels designed. It's really much more of a kind of gut instinct on Trump and a bunch of lackeys at random kind of operating on what they think he wants. But the end result is They are marching us down this path towards authoritarianism in a way that is not eliciting as big a response as you would hope. That's how I would feel about it. I'm just angry all the time, I think, more than I am scared.
And maybe that's because I can't accept what's happening and can't really feel where it's going. And then yet the strangest part about all of it is then you go out to dinner with some friends, right? And then you have a great night and then you buy new placemats for the table and you... It's as bad as it could be. Plan a wedding.
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