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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1055: Bill Kristol: The Grotesqueness of It All

Mon, 02 Jun 2025

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Mike Johnson and Russ Vought outright lied on camera about the proposed Medicaid cuts and the impact they would have on millions of Americans. Marco Rubio lied about the children who are dying because of USAID cuts. And Joni Ernst is reimagining Christianity to be about Jesus teaching his followers not to care about the sick and the poor because they're going to die anyway. And through it all, Peter Thiel is doing everything in his power not to die—or even age. But one saving grace is that Ukraine kicked some Russian ass this weekend. Bill Kristol joins Tim Miller.

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What did Bill Kristol think about Ukraine's military capabilities?

661.673 - 667.357 Bill Kristol

We have to be careful what we say, right? I guess.

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667.457 - 708.96 Tim Miller

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729.401 - 749.033 Tim Miller

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749.093 - 764.764 Tim Miller

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764.804 - 778.851 Tim Miller

Du hattest Jonathan Cohn, unseren Kollegen, gestern, um darüber zu sprechen, was in der Gesundheit passiert, was mit der HHS passiert, was mit den Medicaid-Kotzen passiert.

778.891 - 799.434 Bill Kristol

Was hat dich am meisten von dieser Kombination gefühlt? I mean, there's real damage being done, both right now in terms of what vaccines are being recommended, in terms of the near and medium-term future, in terms of the cuts to Medicaid, which spill over into Medicare, into healthcare more broadly.

799.474 - 811.859 Bill Kristol

And then really, in terms of the medium and long-term future, in terms of vaccine development, for example. It's not just if you don't approve this vaccine or don't approve that one for certain people, or you send weird mixed signals on vaccines, vaccine makers...

812.589 - 829.563 Bill Kristol

We'll then make some decisions, vaccine producers rather, we'll make some decisions about what vaccines to produce, will there be a steady market for them, is the US the right place to be the base for doing them, maybe they should do more abroad. And then of course you put it together with all the craziness about the universities and the immigration stuff.

829.663 - 837.73 Bill Kristol

I was talking with someone about this last night who knows that world pretty well, here in New York actually. I mean, you have real damage being done.

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