S.E. Cupp: The Outrage Is the Point
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. You might notice I'm sounding more masculine this morning. I'm on day two of the flu. And so I'm excited to have the laugher with me today because I need someone who can carry me on this podcast. And I found the right person. She's a political commentator for CNN, contributor to their new show, Table for Five, host of the Off the Cup podcast, which gets off the news, which we all need. It's Essie Cup. What's up, girl?
Sorry, I'm so giggly. That was just really funny.
Why is the Trump administration's approach causing concern?
Well, you know.
And I'm sorry you're sick, honey. I'm sorry.
Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm a little worried about the lights in here. I'm going to be sweating through at the end of the podcast. You need some good material because we're clipping your clips today, not mine. I don't think I'm going to look good. All right. The last time we spoke. I don't know if you remember. Well, I mean, we've texted or whatever. But the last time we spoke on the podcast was the day after the Kamala debate. Simpler times. Wow. Yeah, I know. I know. It feels like a lifetime ago or even another Earth. I wonder what you make now of just the biggest picture, like the first seven weeks. How does it match or change your expectations? Is there anything in there? Any green shoots? I don't know. Just anything. Top line.
What do you make of it?
What's crazy is... I thought the 2016 campaign was incredibly disorganized. Yeah. And then his first term... For all the things. Sure. Was a bit more organized, or at least it efforted at it. It brought in some good people. He kicked them all out when he realized they were actually too good and wouldn't do his bidding. But this is the reverse. I found this 2024 campaign to be run in a very high-level way by Suzy et al., And the collapse of that organization and order on day one of this term has been, I guess, shocking, but not. I mean, I am shocked at the level of disorganization and chaos, considering he came in, I think, with a way bigger mandate this time. I mean, I judge people for voting him in the first time.
I judge them harder for voting him in the second time. And there were more of them.
Right.
This time.
Plenty of judgment to go around here on the Bollard Pod.
So I actually expected, and I think I said this various places, that I was going to go into this administration with an open mind, Tim, and try not to get sucked into the industrial outrage complex.
And how's that gone so far for you?
Right. Which is hard in cable news, but also in general. But impossible in this second term because it feels like the outrage is the point of everything they're doing. Because it's certainly not fixing shit. That's not the point. So yeah, it's more chaotic than I thought. It's unnecessarily chaotic. There are lots of people in place that could help with some ordering of things.
Sure.
And then I look at his cabinet and I'm deeply, deeply scared for some of the people in there.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the purpose of the Bulwark Takes podcast?
0:40–1:38
2
Why is the Trump administration's approach causing concern?
1:38–5:49
3
How is the U.S. economy being affected under the Trump administration?
5:49–16:02
4
What is the current situation in Ukraine and how is the U.S. involved?
16:02–22:53
5
Why are the U.S.'s international alliances being questioned?
22:53–33:17
6
What role does Elon Musk play in the current administration?
33:17–37:56
7
How are government services being impacted by current political strategies?
37:56–55:03
Speakers
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