The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
The Big Suey: The Pilloried Pioneer (feat. Undersized Nickel, Domonique Foxworth)
11 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: How does Domonique Foxworth address Pablo's unlikability?
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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.
That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. There appear to be some things happening around here that are turning against Pablo Torre. And I'm sorry to say that Dominique Foxworth has now arrived armed with, I stand with Nick Wright is what he texted me before we started this segment.
He was also doing something and I didn't realize it until he started doing it. Uh, He also has a great voice that sort of makes me feel a little bit impotent when he really says bavacqua. When he goes and gets the bavacqua, put it on the poll at Levitard Show, is it extra fun to say the name bavacqua? Because he did it in a fashion that made me feel he was going for sensual effortlessly.
Go ahead and hit the people with your bavacqua. Bavacqua.
It's just a great word. It's a great word. I mean, I have so much stuff to talk about with you guys. But before we get to all that, I want to start with the first thing is. Hello, Valerie. And from there, I'd like to say what you guys are doing here is incredibly impressive.
Like, all jokes aside, the two different locations, the third location, I did a live show after games on Sunday from a few different locations. It's so hard. I know we give all the tech people a hard time and make fun of them all the time, but this is really kind of cool and impressive.
Thank you for saying so, Dominique, because I am proud, and I mentioned this earlier in the week, moved by the fact that we get to celebrate in New York the holiday party here this week as part of everything that we're doing that has Pablo coming under an avalanche of criticism today. Wozni Lambry is tweeting. I don't know what your thoughts are on this, Pablo. He's a journalist, yes.
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Chapter 3: What uncomfortable realities are revealed about Michigan's program?
How did Amin get dragged into your signature?
I know Waz. I know Waz incredibly well.
Have you ever smoked with him? Have you done legal drugs with him?
Wosney Lambree tweets the following, quote, I just don't think the job of investigative reporting is some impossible feat. I think getting big media companies to pay for it is impossible. I watch every episode of Pablo's show and he deserves all the glory he's gotten for making it a success. But the idea somebody as talented as Nick
Couldn't be really good at the job of investigative reporter if he dedicated himself to it. Just doesn't pass the smell test.
Look, I love Woz. I don't want to do the thing where I just say, like, you've never done it, and then you say, I did it once, and then I say, I apologize. Because that's happened, and it's happening on Twitter still today with Nick. My thing with all of this is, Dan, you make me be so unlikable. You do. You make me be so unlikable.
The job of investigative reporter is a job that largely takes place in ways that no one can see. That's kind of the definition of it. And so I'm not saying that Nick or Woz or Dominique wouldn't be great at it if that's what you want to do, if that's what we're doing now. Who's hypothetically good at this?
What I'm merely saying is that there are skills like lawyer, Dominique, hold on, like Nick would be an amazing lawyer. And I have said that to him, and I will say that for anyone to hear. Journalist and lawyer are not the same job. And I will explain this very briefly. A lawyer will take a case that they know isn't true. That's the job.
Argue to the best of your ability in defense or in prosecution of something that you have agreed to do because that is what your job is. A journalist is unfortunately constrained by this annoying thing called fact checking.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the Sherrone Moore situation?
Give me an award. I think that's what makes you kind of hateable, honestly. And I love you. I don't hate you. I recognize the work is good. And I've given a justification for why. It's the reason why you have to go about it in this new media way. But it's not going to be enjoyed because people are going to look at it and be like, hey, are you a journalist or are you a celebrity?
And if you want to be both, maybe that's the future of it. I don't know. But we can go back to doing show and bits. But that's my honest assessment of what's happening.
Dominique, you are two years younger than Philip Rivers. How's this going to go?
Poorly, I think. I don't know, man. Like, there's no way to argue that this could go. I think that we see Aaron Rodgers right now who has not taken an extended break. We see how he wants to avoid getting hit. I assume the same thing will happen for Philip Rivers. It's going to be really hard. And he's right. His athleticism has never been it. He's never had a super strong arm.
If there's a quarterback who could produce from a diminished capacity, maybe it's someone like him who is a smart player and never really relied on rocket arm strength. However... Getting off the couch, man. Y'all know how hard it is. Any of you who've been on the sideline of a college football game, a high-level high school football game, recognize that shit is fast.
And I don't think you can get off the couch and just start cooking like that. So we'll see. I don't think it's going to go all that well. And his career ended not because he was tired of playing, because people was tired of paying him to play. So I'm guessing it's not going to go all that well.
from the very start like i couldn't believe that i'm reading headlines that he might go this sunday like that seems crazy to me you can't you can't go without playing an nfl game for five years and then started quarterback that practice speed better be fast like they gotta go training camp level practice speed to get him into any shape to do this i i
I don't know a scenario. I think that you can scheme up some plays that'll work well for him. I wonder how honest, in an honest moment, how the rest of the locker room feels about this, because I would be concerned, but I guess they're also in desperation mode. I look at a bunch of these teams right now and a lot of them have similar records but feel very differently.
I'm guessing the Colts who have a pretty strong record. Their fan base and their team probably feels pretty terrible because now they're so desperate that I think honestly some of those players are probably pretty excited to have Phillip Rivers there no matter how old he is because it represents like some level of hope that I I don't know that they had a couple weeks ago or a week ago.
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Chapter 5: How does the conversation shift to the challenges of investigative journalism?
But the defenses that Phillip Rivers is going to face now, are very different from the defenses that he saw pre-pandemic or during the pandemic. So I'm guessing that, yeah, the offensive plays and the system, he's going to understand that it's not going to be as difficult. But the things that he's going to see are not going to be things that he saw back then. Defenses change so fast.
And from team to team, you're going to see drastically different looks. It's a lot harder. So even if he was just as good as he was at the time when he retired, It's going to be a slightly different game. So I'm rooting for him. I'm an old guy. He's older than me, but I'm an old guy. Us old guys want these old guys to play well, but I ain't going to lie to myself.
It would be a stunner if Phillip Rivers comes out there and is better than Riley Leonard.
Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Do old guys root for old guys in sports? You brought up fire and intensity. I will tell you, I've been bitterly cold all week. So cold. Put this on the poll as well. Does your skin get itchy past a certain point in cold? Because my skin is itchy from the cold inside or outdoors.
But when you bring up fire and intensity, I have felt for the last five minutes in this studio the first warmth I have felt my entire time in New York. No, it's not positive warmth. It's because of how Pablo is steaming at the fact that Mike Ryan was so done with this journalism conversation.
Riley Leonard.
That he talked about Philip Rivers at 44 years old to get off of the subject that Pablo, I don't think, is done with as he's taking a beating from everyone, including Dominique. You've got to be done. While doing the work that's so important that I also want the work that he's doing seen. The weird thing that's happening though is the work is getting universal praise.
It's Pablo that's not getting that.
Dan, Dan, Pablo, stop. Dan, Dan. Go ahead, Dominique. I'm not letting you off the hook. Dan, you're doing this. The problem that I'm laying out for Pablo is he can't be the one celebrating how hard his work is or how great he is or how important it is or how noble it is or how much he wants everyone else to do this. No one ever is made to look good by being the one celebrating themselves.
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Chapter 6: What insights are shared about the future of journalism?
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Chapter 7: What parallels are drawn between sports and journalism?
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Pablo couldn't even congratulate you. That was sickening.
The Black Pope will be real happy. Y'all know the Pope is black, right?
Do you know how poorly you stand on the wrong side of an argument when Dominic Foxworth is on this show in the middle of the day telling everyone in America that people shouldn't celebrate themselves?
The fact that a cornerback is telling me that too much celebrating is going to be a bad thing for your career is just too much.
It's the type of celebrating that you're doing, Pablo, and I get it. I'm telling you.
Number one, Dan making me comfort my own shit is deeply unlikable.
Totally agree. And also, hold on. Before you go, before you go, say anything. Because I'm trying to help you, Pablo. Me attacking you is going to help you. You don't realize this. It's like you don't understand how people work. It's like you've been in the media business for all this time and don't realize. Have you ever watched a TV show? A movie? Like anything, any sort of entertainment.
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Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude with reflections on accountability?
I'd like to get a ruling on whether Zaslow believes he could do what Pablo does because Zaslow is also a journalist.
Let me tell you something. I'm a journalist, but I'm like low-level journalist, all right? I'm a journalist of the things that I want to get to the bottom of. Pablo is digging deep into stuff that I don't even understand, and I lose my train of thought, and I cannot do what Pablo does. I got to admit. So what's the ruling? That also felt pretty good.
So my ruling is, is the question whether or not I can do what Pablo does? Yes. No. With prejudice, I cannot. And by the way, I'll also add, I'll also add, Nick Wright absolutely cannot do what Pablo does either. I mean, you saw the way I dominated him again yesterday when we were talking about LeBron. That was embarrassing. Sorry, Nick.
So you may have heard underneath all of that Pablo whimper, why can't I talk? And Roy, that will allow you to play that sound again. I don't know. Why can't you talk? Why is that the way that you talk when you're trying to make the argument on behalf of journalism?
I don't think I've had a better year professionally in my life or felt dumber at the same time.
There is a lot of stuff to talk about in sports and in football with Dominique. And I just I want to talk carefully with the details we have, not the details the Internet has, the details that we have that are verifiable on Michigan's entire situation. OK, I got in trouble a long time ago at ESPN because and this would have been I'm going to say 20 years ago.
I said that generally speaking in football, and this was quantifiable at the time, all of a sudden when championships were being won at college football programs, there were always sirens very near the huddle. Arrests. very near the huddle.
There was a correlation between Colorado winning the national championship in 1990 and Sports Illustrated reporting that like a third of their roster had been arrested. Now Michigan has an assortment of junk around its program and it's all administrator based. It's not the players that are getting in trouble. It's an assortment of the people in charge. And so what are you comfortable deducing
From the Sharon Moore situation in Michigan, given the details that we have, he has been fired for an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. That's what the university released. And shortly thereafter, he was in custody for an alleged assault. What's fair to discuss here with the information we have now, Dominique?
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