LEMON DROP | Darren Walker Says Our Democracy Is Strong, But It Is Not Guaranteed
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Who is Darren Walker and why does his Ford Foundation tenure matter?
Darren Walker has spent more than a decade leading one of the most powerful philanthropic institutions in the world, the Ford Foundation. He has redefined what it means to give, what it means to lead, and what it means to hope. Now, as he prepares to step down, he has written a remarkable book, The Idea of America, Reflections on Inequality, Democracy, and the Values We Share. He joins me now. He is my friend. He's here to talk about what he's learned, what he's leaving behind, and what comes next. It's good to see you, my friend. Thank you, Don.
How are you? I'm great, and I'm even better now that I'm here with you. How much longer at the helm? Literally 10 days. And? And I am feeling both relief, gratitude, and a sense of satisfaction.
You seem much calmer and much more present as if, for me, because you always had something, you're always rushing off to some place. I got to go here for this conference. I have to travel over here for this. Is that what I'm feeling now? It's like, okay, now I have some time for Darren and for life.
Well, I can see the finish line, and that gives me a sense of relief and a sense that I can begin to think about what happens next. The curtain is going down on one of the most important parts of my life, the Ford Foundation. And the curtain is going to go up. I don't know what that next act is going to be, but the curtain will be going up very soon.
We came from very similar beginnings. I in Louisiana, you in Texas. Humble beginnings. And then look at where Darren Walker is now. And so I wanna start by asking you about something that you wrote about in your book, okay? And this was when you were addressing the trustees, the Ford Foundation Trustee Symposium in Johannesburg, all right? Do you remember that? It was in 2014. You said, when I reflect, On South Africa's courageous pursuit of democracy, I feel both reverence and resolve. Reverence for the manner in which you sought and secured reconciliation among yourselves. Resolve that by dent of your example, we Americans might find the courage to address the racial injustice that lingers in our own society.
For me, this is a deeply personal point because I am not just an American, I'm an African American. In my very DNA, I carry the heritage and the history of two continents, a history that binds me and millions of others across the Americas and across the diaspora to your story, almost as much as it binds us to our own. That is such a profound reflection that you delivered on South Africa. And I think you ended that, well, not ended, but in that the next statement was that if we had been able to do in America what you did in just a couple of years, man, the world would be different. How would the world be different, you think?
Well, first, it was a struggle. It was not easy for the South Africans. So let's not pretend, and I was in no way making light of their struggle, because it is a struggle when you have an idea, an idea of a multiracial democracy. That does not exist in many places in the world. Our own history in this country is one of triumphs and very low moments that I think we all regret. I think the American story and what I try to capture in my book and what I reflect on in South Africa is the journey which has been both progress and regress and the challenge of reconciling and holding on to truth that there are things that are great about this country that we should be proud of, that inspire me in our history.
And there are things that I deeply regret. There are scars on the history of America that we have a very difficult time holding. So I'm comfortable with the complexity of Thomas Jefferson. I don't see him as a mythical god. I see him as a brilliant man who was deeply flawed also, that he could write. the words that he wrote in Philadelphia and at Monticello that were so beautiful and so inspirational and that helped birth a nation and at the same time live a life that was antithetical to many of those professed values. I can hold all of that and think that he is both great and flawed.
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