LEMON DROP | Two Brothers Talking: Don Lemon and Ahmed Baba on the Trump/Epstein CHAOS
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Welcome to the Two Brothers Talking. Yep. Congratulations on your honeymoon. It's been almost a month since we've spoken.
I know. I was out there just taking in this Italian sun. As you can see, I probably, you know, I got tanned up over here. Got a little tan going.
You needed a hat on, but that's okay.
Yeah, yeah. I missed the hat memo. I got to get the On The Lemon Nation merch. But, yeah, I was relaxing. And while I was gone, not much happened. A couple things. A few things. I was gone for a couple weeks. But I'm back in action. And needless to say, we got a lot to catch up on.
Well, not much happened. You're being sarcastic about it. But did you have any idea before you left how big of a story that this Epstein thing would become? Because this was a right wing sort of MAGA conspiracy theory, Donald Trump also helping to fuel it. And then all of a sudden it's come to bite them in the butt. Did you have any idea that it was going to explode like this?
I think the first indication was Musk's tweet, right? On June 6th, he said, Trump is in the Epstein file in the middle of their beef, which we talked about. And I thought something was going to brew. And then you start seeing some indications that there's a movement on it. But I did not know that by the end of July, we would know. And that it would be the Wall Street Journal itself saying that Donald's name is listed in there. So I think the early indications were there. And now with Musk's tweet, we have to wonder, Was Musk in the briefing? Who told Musk? Like Musk clearly had some knowledge because the Wall Street Journal is reporting in May. That was when Trump was told. Yeah. How did how did he.
Well, I think Musk's last day in office or in office, I should say, in the White House was, I think, May 28th. And Donald Trump was briefed by Pam Bondi, according to The Wall Street Journal, that he had been mentioned several times in the Epstein files. And he had been briefed in May. So clearly he knew. It's like, but who told Elon Musk? How did Elon Musk know? Did someone leak it to Elon Musk? Did Donald Trump tell him that? Because that was the first indication. And people were like, oh, the girls are fighting.
Remember that?
And then now. Yeah. And now it's common.
How did the Epstein files go from a fringe MAGA theory to major news?
What do you think? I mean, it's, it is, it is gone from, um, since you were gone, no one really talking about it at all, because I said it was a conspiracy theory and, and it just sort of seemed like crazy MAGA folks to, um, well, he killed himself from Dan Bongino and cash Patel and people were like, and then to Donald Trump saying, Stop talking about it. To Pam Bondi saying we're not going to release it to now saying he's definitely mentioned. I mean, it is metastasized.
Yes. And this really I think it's an implosion of right wing conspiracism here. Like what we're seeing is kind of this combination, because I think the reason why it's really hitting MAGA so hard is because Trump's fundamental promise was that he was going to unveil this cabal of elites. Right. That were corrupt. And they were they were the ones that were accumulating power and keeping the average American. That was his fundamental 2016 promise. And then, like you said, Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, all of his allies promising this list was going to take down all these Democratic elites specifically. And then Pam Bundy comes in. She's got that binder that she dangles in front of those influencers in February.
She started building the hype for this. And then, as we see, somewhere along the line, they discover Donald's name is in there, which was obvious to anyone with eyes and ears over the years. And then they try to shut it down.
Why did Elon Musk's tweet accelerate interest in Trump's mention in the Epstein files?
So this is causing MAGA to have to deal with that cognitive dissonance of recognizing that they're allied with this guy, Trump, that was very clearly one of the corrupt elites that Trump has promised to expunge from the swamp, right? So it's like this multifaceted culmination, man.
Well, I mean, I think it's caused now, they didn't even understand that it was cognitive dissonance, but now I think they really understand now that, oh, we have either been sold a bill of goods, it could be both, sold a bill of goods that, and there's actually not much in there that is incriminating either for Democrats or for whatever reason that it is, or that Donald Trump is implicated in ways that we are not sure of right now.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:13–2:29
2
How did the Epstein files go from a fringe MAGA theory to major news?
2:29–3:53
3
Why did Elon Musk's tweet accelerate interest in Trump's mention in the Epstein files?
3:53–18:13
4
What evidence did the Wall Street Journal publish linking Trump to Epstein materials?
18:13–18:20
5
What do the birthday card doodles and other circumstantial details suggest about Trump's relationship with Epstein?
18:20–25:13
Speakers
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