🎙Jason Pine on the future of NZ Rugby - The Chat
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What is the summit and why is New Zealand rugby looking to cut $20 million annually?
So New Zealand rugby is holding a summit today weighing up major decisions over the future of Super Rugby and the NBC. Basically the entire non international game. Uh it's trying to cut twenty million dollars a year in costs out of rugby. And apparently there's a confidential document which outlines which is not that confidential because I've got it in front of me. Um which outlines three proposals. So expanding super rugby. with two additional New Zealand based teams to save twenty million dollars, continuing the current versions of Super Rugby and the NBC, but merging the super rugby clubs with the main provincial unions, or replacing Super Rugby and the NBC with a new eight to ten team competition.
So those are the proposals apparently. Apparently. which the summit's dealing with. So what on earth does it all mean? Well, the voice of Weekend Sport on Newstalks here, Big Jason Pine, joins us to make sense of it all. Firstly, Piney, thanks for your time. Secondly, Piney, Does this is this a indication that New Zealand rugby thinks that rugby's in a bit of trouble?
Yeah, good night guys. Look, uh great to be on. I'm not sure as you outline those proposals, Jessica, that I like any of them really. I I I I'm not really a fan of o of any of the three. They have to do something. Uh as you say, they've they've looked ahead and Their financial dashboard is blinking red all over the place, saying if we don't do anything here, if we carry on the way we are, we're gonna lose sixty six million over the next five years. Look, it doesn't matter what kind of business you're running, that doesn't make financial sense. New Zealand rugby's making money. The um the revenue New Zealand rugby has doubled in the last ten years, but you've got to look at your costs. And the biggest cost is obviously the running of these provincial competitions and super rugby.
So they have to do something.
So the expanding the super rugby with two additional New Zealand based teams, would that be as well as the Australian uh teams as well, or would that be instead of and we separate ourselves from Australia?
I think that's as as well as I think they're adding it adding two in. So quite how that saves you money I'm not sure.
How are the three proposed reforms expected to save money and reshape Super Rugby and the NPC?
It it doesn't it doesn't seem to make a heck of a lot of sense. And and also, I mean we've got to sort of, you know, continue to have a relationship with Australia. What are they gonna say if we say, Oh hey, by the way, we're gonna add two more in over here? Uh so that one seems the least likely. Yeah.
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it i and and I don't see how that saves money. So I'm not sure why that one is there.
And and also I would say uh there's not been a a strong history of new teams coming into super rugby and succeeding. I mean, just this year we lost Moana Pacifica, so sh surely that's not a very likely outcome.
No, absolutely right. I mean that that that just is a a warning right there. Es Moina Pacifica, who had, you know, they a lot of um sort of crowds in behind them, a lot of um a lot of positive kind of vibes around them, but yeah, just didn't make money. So that one feels like it's off the table to me. The provincial unions have a lot of power in these situations, guys. They are the voting members in New Zealand rugby's ecosystem. All the super rugby teams can do really is sit there and wait. they they don't have a vote at the table, which is quite odd given the fact that they are the ones who provide the base for the all blacks. The provincial unions aren't gonna like the consolidation idea where where they're all s consolidated into the super rugby clubs because what will that mean for them and in particular perhaps some of their
their um their jobs in those three. Yeah, yeah. They'll like the idea of, hey, rip up super rugby, let's just go it alone, a provincial competition. Look, I know I'll get weekend sport listeners, you know, Graham from Christchurch will say, I love this idea. Back to the grass,
roots the provincial
game. But how does that build a base for the All Blacks and for us to take on the likes of South Africa, who, you know, obviously at the moment are better than us?
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Chapters
3 chapters
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What is the summit and why is New Zealand rugby looking to cut $20 million annually?
0:00–2:01
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How are the three proposed reforms expected to save money and reshape Super Rugby and the NPC?
2:01–6:02
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Why does Jason Pine think expanding Super Rugby with two new NZ teams may not solve the financial gap?
6:02–6:05
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