Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day Joe Rogan. How are you, my brother? I'm good. How are you doing? What the fuck's cracking? I'm doing good, man. Just enjoying Austin. Are you enjoying the town of freedom? I'm enjoying the town of freedom. This is the town of freedom. Yes. There's freedom here. This is the wild west. Yes. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.
I'm eating. I went to Suerte. Oh, that's a good spot. It was incredible.
Chapter 2: How does Yannis feel about living in Austin?
Yeah, that's a good spot. I think it's the best Mexican I ever had. It's very good. There's a lot of good Mexican out here. Yeah. That's a good spot, though. That was good. Yeah. And, of course, hit the Terry B's on Martin Luther King Day, so it was empty. It was nice. Suerte, you have the added benefit of being around people with masks. That's like East Austin. I haven't seen any masks.
You haven't seen any? No. I think... Well, I did in Vancouver. I was in Vancouver before this. There we are. They never stopped. No, they're still going. Yeah. It's wild. There's a San Francisco town hall meeting, and they passed a vote to stop for a ceasefire in Palestine. I saw it, yeah. Yeah, and so they're all masked up, and they're dancing around, and they got blue hair.
And somebody made a caption that this is literally South Park. This is literally an episode of South Park. Yeah. They look like fucking complete maniacs left in this worn, torn, shattered hull of a city. Whatever's left is filled with human shit and tents everywhere. They're dancing around. They've stopped the ceasefire in Palestine. Yeah, we voted for it. Stop. Stop it.
They solved it in Oakland. Like, as if Benjamin Netanyahu's paying attention. Right. Like, that's going to work. Oh, I guess I'll stop now. Yeah. He stopped traffic on the way to the airport in New York, and that'll do it. Yeah, that does it. That generally does it. That's what Netanyahu was waiting for. He's like, all right, now I've... I've seen the error in my ways now.
Now I've got to pull back. Now I've got to pull back. I did go a little too far. Let me back up. Yeah, let me back it up right now. Dude, they're stopping traffic. This is serious. I saw in Austin, I saw three people on the overpass just holding up a Free Palestine thing, and I'm going like, all right, that did it. I bet those people have amazing, productive lives, and they're not crazy at all.
Yeah, not at all, no. They got a full schedule of things to do and they took a lot of time out of their schedule to stand on top of the highway. They're super healthy. They're really into mindfulness. They're on the ball every day. They get everything done. Every one of them. Every one of them has an alert for what they have to do next on their very busy schedule. Free Palestine. I wasn't gonna.
Those people just... But I saw your banner. Yeah, until the banner came up. Yeah, those people are just perpetuating the situation over there. It's like... The whole is it right or wrong thing, it's like it's obviously wrong. Humans have always been wrong. When it comes to that, it's always been about power, who's got more power and who has less. It's very multilayered.
That's the thing about any international conflict. You can look at the mainstream media narrative. You know, they did this, then they did that. But then it's like Ukraine and Russia. Like you say, oh, my God, Russia invaded Ukraine. This is horrible. And that's most people's natural reaction to it. And then when you go, wait a minute, was there a rule?
Did they make an agreement to not push arms closer to Russia? Did they consistently violate that agreement? Were they trying to move Ukraine? I was reading about them trying to move Ukraine into NATO. Like, what? What are you, a Putin supporter? Are you a Putin supporter? No, wait a minute. Isn't this a very multifaceted, super complex international conflict that really is about
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of trauma on mental health?
It seems like there was some sort of a connection with Saudi Arabia. Shut the fuck up. What about Iraq? They have weapons of war. They're going to kill us all. We're going to all be dead unless we get in there right now. Let's go. Yeah. It's sort of like with the Epstein thing. It's like, isn't, I just call her Gasoline because I hate pronouncing her first name. Ghislaine. Ghislaine. Yeah.
Why not? How come there's no, they're not interrogating her? How come they're not? She's just sitting there and they're like leaking these slow leaks about. Well, it's even crazier than that. It's like, talk to her. They have her. Is nobody asking her any questions? Like she knows everything. Torture her. We can't ask her any questions. It's not proper.
And how is she just sitting in her mansion while this was all going down? She's just sitting there. They can't find her. She hasn't been arrested. She was in a cabin in New Hampshire.
Yeah, you can find Bin Laden, but you can't find Ghislaine Maxwell.
Well, they found her.
Yeah, they found her after a while.
Well, she's solo. Bin Laden had a whole network of people protecting him. Yeah, I guess. Well, the craziest theory is that they didn't shoot Bin Laden. They shot Bin Laden's double. That's why they got rid of it. Like there's so many wacko fucking flat earth conspiracy theories out there about everything. Yeah, but some of them are not.
Yeah, some of them are just because people have access to information now and they go, wait a second. You know what I also think? Cynically? Yeah. I think there's a lot of really dumb ones and there's a lot of ones that are like a little smarter than dumb. And then there's a lot of ones that are really smart. And there's a lot of ones like, oh, my God, if this is true, this changes everything.
And they all lump them in together. It's genius. It's genius. Because if you only look at the ones like the Federal Reserve isn't federal. Wait, wait a minute. Where is it? What the fuck's going on? When you just look at one or two of those, it's so confounding that that's actually taking place right now.
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Chapter 4: How do societal pressures influence personal choices?
Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting now because the world knows that that's the way it works because it does. It does work that way. The Harvey Weinstein thing just opened up that can of worms. Yeah, it just opened it up. It's like that is how it works. Yeah. That is how it works. A lot of times people who rise up in the system are bad people. Especially those kind of systems.
Systems of power and influence. But I would say that that's like... I was always talking about Hollywood in that way, that that is like... It's a perfect proving ground for like the absolute worst way to develop a human being.
You take people that are already fucked up and they need extra attention and then they move to a place where they're surrounded by people who are fucked up and need extra attention. And then you make them compete to see who's worthy. And you go in there and pretend to be someone else and they decide whether or not they're like your someone else or his someone else.
And you have to figure out what they like and try to be their friend. Maybe bring them chocolates and maybe talk to them about the latest Roe v. Wade issue. I, for one, have always been with a woman's right to choose. And they'll like formulate their ideology based on whatever this group of people. So this group of people achieves ultimate power.
And, you know, like if you step out of line politically with any of those people, you're on that shit list and you're not going to be in that movie. A hundred percent. You either keep your fucking mouth shut or you go and you wear your fucking pink ribbon and you do all the things you're supposed to do. The black square on Tuesday. You do everything you're supposed to do or you're not getting in.
And so everybody is just like this weird shell of a person trying to figure out what's the thing they're supposed to say and what's the thing they're supposed to support. Yeah. It's a miserable way to live. But it's a whole industry. They love it. And that's how you make fake stuff. Yeah. That's the only way to make fake stuff. You got to get those fucking crazy people to pretend they're a minor.
Yeah. There's plenty of those people willing to step up and act that way. It's just a terrible place to be a human. And in that environment, it's so hard. Like, I so admire actors who are cool. I so admire them. Because, like, oh, you're just a guy. You can just hang out. Like, Chris Pratt, bro, if he was right here, he's like my friend from high school or something. He's like a regular guy.
Just happens to be a giant movie star. Like, how did you do it? You got through. You're all right. Well, his looks didn't hurt. It helps. Yeah, it helps a lot. But you can also be a douche with looks like that. You can be, yeah. You know? Yeah. If you are, it's like, why? Right. You already won the lottery. You're a douche and you look like that. You're like, well, dude, take it easy.
He's a fucking sweetheart of a guy. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. I've always loved Ethan Hawke. He says a lot of profound things. He seems like a real normal guy. He lives in Brooklyn. Yeah, he seems brilliant. Did you see that new movie? I haven't seen it yet. What is it called? The new Netflix movie. It's an apocalyptic end of the world movie. Oh, it sucked.
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Chapter 5: How can the algorithm be hacked for better engagement?
Well, then you could hack the algorithm just because the algorithm picks up on the engagement.
It's all computers.
Yeah.
A story in the Wall Street Journal from a few years ago talks about a Los Angeles marketing company that got a bunch of smaller Instagram accounts to give them control.
They do that.
And then they started posting a whole bunch of Russian troll propaganda.
Yeah, they'll do that. They'll trick you into giving up your passwords and we'll handle this for you. We'll manage things. Yeah.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of social media control by marketers?
Yeah. I have a friend who was she was going to do like a podcast with this. She's a musician, Suzanne Santo. And she was doing this interview and they were going to do it live on like Facebook Live. So you like a video stream. And so she's like, I'm not sure how to set it up. They're like, oh, just give us control and we'll do it and we'll do it on your screen.
So she files all the stuff and enters in her code and her password and sends it to them. And then they just shut off.
Wow.
And then they just took over her account. And they've been doing it to a bunch of different artists. So if you have 100,000 followers or 150,000 followers, now they just take over your account and then they sell Viagra or fucking, you know, Bitcoin or whatever it is. You can't get it back? Well, she got it back. She got it back, luckily.
She, you know, protests and she knew people and she got it back. But you could lose it forever, easily. Russian trolls made fake Kid Rock fan accounts and fooled Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying, man. It's not a small number of people. No. I think it's a lot. Yeah. I think Rene DiResta was speaking about this from the 2016 elections. Yeah. Well, remember that whole, the kid, the Covington kids, it was some account in Brazil that edited the video to start it. So it looked like the- Like he came up to them. The kid came up to the- Is that what it was?
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Chapter 7: How do personal experiences shape perspectives on parenting?
Yeah. It was some account in Brazil, some fake account in Brazil. Interesting. And yeah, they look for moments to try to sow discord. 100%. Yeah. The more that they can get us at each other's throats, it's- It almost seems engineered. It is engineered. But I mean, it almost seems engineered that we fall for it.
Well, I think- Our government doesn't step in and say, hey, look at what's going on here. We need to figure out a way to mitigate this. I think they have been. I think they've been bringing it up. They've been trying to. What they've really been doing is trying to get at people that criticize the government. That's what they really try to do.
They try to ban accounts that do things that they don't like. And that's been shown in the Twitter files. For sure. But there's not the same kind of- Emphasis and going after Russian trolls are trying to sow discord and try to encourage, you know reasonable conversations There's not there's not emphasis on that.
Well, I think this that's more the social media company's responsibility I don't think they wanted to do it because it inflated engagement and they could go to their shareholders and say look how popular our pages are we got a trillion members and like half of them are fake and look at all this engagement and Half of it's fake.
They don't want to say half of it's fake because it looked good for the stock. We've talked about this before, but there's this guy who is a former, was he an FBI security analyst? Is that what he was, Jamie? That said that 80% of the accounts on Twitter may be fake? That makes sense. 80. That's a lot. Because you always meet regular people and they're like, what?
I'm like, did you see what happened on Twitter? They're like, what? What are you talking about, man? But I don't know what that means. Does that mean 80% of the accounts are accounts where people have burner accounts? Or like what percentage of them are just burner accounts? Because there's a bunch of, I know some comics that have burner accounts that say wild shit.
Just log in through a fucking VPN and say some wild shit.
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Chapter 8: What role does AI play in shaping future communication?
Yeah. I don't have any burners. I don't have any time for my own account. Yeah. I don't want to do a burner account. But if I did. You'd have some fun.
I'd have some fun. There's a few I follow online. They get people on the ESPN to repost a fake tweet all the time. Yeah. Like daily. They just word it or make the meme or the picture look so good or so right. It just sounds outrageous enough. So-and-so is fighting about something crazy and they just repost it without checking into it.
That sounds like me. How many times have we had something that I heard and I'm like, what is this I heard? And then Jamie has to look at it. Oh, this is what it's actually about.
Oh.
That happens. Yeah, that's the world we live in. Listen, that's what happens when you, if you want to do the show for real, like this, like if you want the show to be what it is, which is just talking shit in real time, you're going to make some mistakes. I'm going to say some things that I heard about. They might not be true. Yeah. But is that really my fault?
Like should we really be paying attention to that or should we be paying attention to how are we so fucking confused? How are there so many trolls? How much money is being spent to make us mad at each other all day long? A lot of money from foreign agents. Yeah, and how do you develop immunity to that? How do you develop antibodies to that?
How do you develop an ability to just not be affected by that and to have some sort of a moral, ethical, personality compass where you know where North is? Well, this is all new. Never before has so much information been available to people and so many different versions of reality presented. So it's new.
Whatever is going to emerge, it will be like some sort of superhuman who can be able to have unbelievable. intuition and just know, maybe like this will force humans to evolve to a point where we can like mind read or any little face tick will be able to tell if you're lying or something like that.
Everyone else will get fooled, but the ones who were able to tell the truth will be able to just like really like, ah, his eye moved, I know he's lying, bullshit. Yeah, like think about like voice memos. You know how you say voice memos? Like you could say into your phone, call Giannis Papas today at four o'clock. And it writes it down in text.
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