Ashton Kutcher’s Chilling Comments, the Beckhams' Red Carpet Body Language, & a Nerve Glam Tutorial

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No gimmicks, no needles, just results. Oxford Natural. Let's get to work. Joining us now is body language expert and founder of Truth Plane, Mark Bowden. Mark, welcome back to The Nerve.

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Maureen, thanks for having me. A new year, but some of the old candidates back in the frame, I think.

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Well, that's rich considering we took Ashton apart for defending the violent rapist Danny Masterson, who is currently serving 30 years to life and his longtime best friendship with Diddy. What strikes you about Ashton's demeanor in that little red carpet moment, Mark?

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Well, look, as you know, Maureen, often I don't know as much as you do and your viewers do about the context of what's happening around here. So I watch this and I instantly go, here's somebody on a bit of a PR campaign, it would seem to me, about don't judge people too harshly. He says, look, he always learned that you, you know, you can't judge your character.

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And there's an upturn of the side of his mouth asymmetrically into contempt. So he's kind of contemptuous either of the idea of judging people or maybe even being judged himself. There's that off the bat. Then a big eyebrow raise. OK, I look for approval on he's doing these things, but he doesn't think there's anything wrong with them.

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You know, people who are doing bad things, they often don't think there's anything wrong with them. And he's looking for your approval on this. So there's contempt, possibly, for the idea of being judged, and also that look of approval for doing bad things. He kind of suggests... There's an unfairness in being judged and people who judge others.

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And if you're getting judged by people who judge others, it's quite adolescent. It's like being back at school. If you're judging people, Maureen, you're just a kid doing that.

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Oh, my God. Those talking points don't tell you everything. Remember, I was a model. I was a professional himbo. But I'm also smart, and I have compassion, even though I've defended these reprobates, and let's talk social issues. Who better? Okay. Speaking of, Timothy Busfield, American actor and director, who was arrested this week or last week on two charges of child sexual abuse.

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He seems to have a pattern of this in his history with minors, teenagers. And his lawyer seems to have gotten this incredible video, Mark. This video, Busfield seemed to have filmed it himself before he turned himself in. He was missing for five days. Neither the media nor apparently law enforcement knew where he was. He recorded this video himself and then he gave it to TMZ.

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OK, it did not seem to be a strategically shrewd move. It seems his lawyer has scrubbed it from the Internet, but the nerve found it and into the archives it goes at Nerve HQ. Let's take a look. And then, Mark, you tell me what you see.

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Lovely. Front these lies. They're horrible. They're all lies. And I did not do anything to those little boys. And I'm going to fight it. I'm going to fight it with a great team.

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Hmm. Really interesting. OK. Do you see how he's kind of side on to us here? He's looking down the lens. So he's from an entertainment background, as you're describing. So he understands that he needs to contact the lens. But his his face is facing away. He doesn't kind of want to be there. I did not. I did not. He says rather than I didn't, which is a contraction.

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Yeah, it's all too considered, all too considered. Also notice the gestures as well. When somebody's angry, they'll tend to come up here to what I call the passion plane. They'll tend to be up in their chest area. He's a little bit lower. He's purposely being considered. He wants to come across as authentic, truthful, calm, assertive, but again, still oblique with the head.

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There's a mismatch there. I don't like the look of this at all.

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I agree with you completely. Now on to a bombshell story that broke this week. The Beckham family feud. Brooklyn Beckham taking to Instagram to disown his family and to say that they've just been mean, mean, mean, mean, mean to his wife, Nicola. We pulled a couple of just incredible body language examples from red carpets. Oh, this is so awkward.

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This is Victoria and Nicola, and then Nicola in between Victoria and Brooklyn, who is now waving, it seems, other members of the family in. I can't tell, Mark, what do you make of this? Okay, now they're mirroring their body language.

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I love this. I love this because this is, so this is Victoria Beckham's, her son's wife. Is that accurate?

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I found the definitive period that Savannah put on the end of that sentence, joy is in scarce supply.

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Yeah, joyride.

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Very telling.

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Joyride. Listen, they are both of them incredibly skeptical, I would suggest, about what's going on here. There's this joyride idea with the inverted commas around it. There's the distancing between the two. There's the, you know, the head is distant away. I know one of them has a vocal problem at the moment.

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Savannah does, yeah.

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It's not going to work. It's failing. OK, to our final, final recidivist, Oprah Winfrey. Now, the nerve for since about October has been on an active manhunt for Stedman Graham, who we have not seen in years. So we we pulled up Marlena found this one. This is from the red carpet in 2019. Oprah is being asked about Stedman and Gail and who she goes to for the best advice. Here we go.

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I was going to ask you later who you go to most often for advice. How do you choose between Stedman and Gale? But I think this is a good time to just ask that follow-up. How do I choose between Stedman and Gale? It depends on what it is. You know, Stedman is actually the stabilizer.

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Okay. So interesting. She has to look away for this. She has to look away for this and then slowly bring herself back as she starts to...

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put the answer to this question together okay so this is potentially not a question that she was expecting she doesn't have a set answer for this one she has to go to get an answer and she has to slowly bring herself back with a lot of words beforehand you know i don't know yes she's kind of she's trying to constructing what's my answer gonna be for this one and she never really gets

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full eye contact with the interviewer when giving this answer. So look, interesting question from the interviewer because it's probably one she was not expecting to have to give an answer to. She doesn't have one ready. Well, why? Why doesn't she have one ready on this one?

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Hmm. Interesting. So look, the hands go down. She does a big suppressor gesture around this. So she's trying to lay down the law on this somewhat or stop this line of questioning or take authority here. So she wants to be in charge of this area. And then she from the interviewer, she quickly takes it out.

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to the audience or to the crew or whoever else is out there, wherever she thinks she can contact the public better and move this message more out to the public rather than through the avatar of the interviewer.

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So she wants this message to be controlled and she wants this one to go directly out to the public in some way and not have any intermediary of the media between her message and the viewer. That's what I'd take from that. What did you see?

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that well to pick up on exactly what you're saying i agree with you and i also think that tactic is to sort of diffuse the question like to make it diffuse not to diffuse like a bomb but d-i-f-f-u-s-e to sort of make it like aerosolized right and i'm going to sprinkle this out over the entire set because to answer that question to jenna one-on-one it's too personal now

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Now we're having a, even if we don't know each other very well, we're looking at each other. We're talking to each other. You asked me about someone who is supposed to be the primary person in my life.

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Great to see you, Maureen. Thank you. Great to see you, Mark. Coming up, we are going around and around and around with the offenders this week. An update, a tease to the people we are covering next week, the evildoers. And we have a very heartfelt, genuine, I truly mean this in memoriam, to a giant that we just lost, who we just lost, I should say. Excuse me.

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