Ep. 10: The Language Staircase to Access Higher Level Communication
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Why isn’t memorized “rote” language enough for autistic children?
What's up everyone? Welcome to Making the Shift.
Where we listen to autistic voices,
explore new therapy ideas,
and share neurodiversity affirming methods and strengths-based approaches to support autistic kids.
Because we're not here to try and quote fix kids.
We are here to love them, embrace them, and celebrate them for who they are. I'm Jesse Ginsburg, sensory integration trained SLP, founder of a top-rated speech therapy clinic in Los Angeles, and creator of the Inside Out Sensory Certificate for SLPs.
And I'm Chris Winger, also known as Speech Dude, high school SLP and creator of the Dynamic Assessment for Social Emotional Learning. Are you ready to make the shift?
Let's do it.
Hi everyone, welcome to episode 10, DS. Of making the shift.
Already here. We made it to ten
and we're both matching. We're in white.
I didn't even realize that. Look at that.
These are summer vibes right here.
And speaking of that, I think today is summer solstice, isn't it?
Is it?
Yeah. Oh
that's a fun fact.
I I think so. Um
and today is Tucker's birthday. Our four year old now four.
We have a birthday celebration at the house. And um And you know, we always talk about all things sensory related. So my senses are gonna be extra heightened today at the house because I'm gonna be eating all of the kids' cupcakes and it's gonna be a lot of fun.
That's what I was gonna say. More like sugar rush.
of
the night. Because we I feel like we've been trying to not make as many cookies and stuff at night because we were on this kick where it was like every night we were getting that ready to eat cookie dough, baking it, eating with ice cream. We've been so good.
I have been really focusing on not overdoing it. Right true. You've been
doing a good job too.
Well, you know, I think that the uh there's a couple ideas on that, but it is summertime and thinking of about it being summertime. We are far too close to July and that is not good. I'm like, stay away, July. I do not need you in my life. It's like that's how quick summer has been. Oh, because you're
afraid it's gonna be over before it starts.
Well, we go back the first week of August. So it's like July's almost here and then the you know, it's kind of scary. You know.
And then some of us, God forbid, are working every single day through the whole summer.
Yeah, some of us. I am I am working every single day too.
On your tan.
That's right. That is right.
So today is a s fun day because we decided that we were gonna talk about this analogy that I use and have been using for a long time. in my practice and this is something that I will speak about often at conferences, but I've never really gone on like social media or anything to describe it. But it's an analogy that I wrote this Asha article on a few years back. And it was one of those things where I felt so strongly about this opinion I had, but it wasn't a widely known thing. You know, you have to realize Think about at all social media and how much it's it's so common to go on and see like neurodiversity affirming, child led therapy. And now with social media, it's something that's talked about all the time.
But even a few years ago, that wasn't necessarily the case. Like people weren't on Instagram creating Canva graphics and throwing that up there, you know.
Yeah, exactly. It's kind of evolved so much.
Yeah. So now there's so much more information out there. So this was just a few years ago, but it was a time when You couldn't just Google, you know, therapy for autistic kids and get. articles like this.
What are the hidden prerequisites for basic and higher‑level communication?
So I wrote this article I had written for Asha before. You when you write for them, they have your email address at the bottom of the article. So I'd written for them before. I'd never gotten any not one single email and I wrote this article and right when it was published emails just started pouring in.
That's awesome.
It was crazy because I was like, I didn't know this w like people actually. email you but it was people saying Where can I get more resources? I want more information on this. Do you have any trainings you can recommend? And it was just so hard because I I did not have places I could point people to.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
Why isn’t memorized “rote” language enough for autistic children?
0:08–4:16
2
What are the hidden prerequisites for basic and higher‑level communication?
4:16–9:21
3
How does the “language staircase” analogy illustrate regulation, engagement, and motivation?
9:21–15:14
4
Why is intrinsic motivation the “banister” of the language staircase?
15:14–22:25
5
How can you use a child’s special interests (e.g., Disney) to build regulation, engagement, and language?
22:25–23:32
Speakers
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