Ep. 15: Autism is a Different Neurotype
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What is the premise of treating autism as a distinct neurotype?
What's up everyone and welcome to Making the Shift.
We're an SLP couple from California with three boys and a passion for finding better ways to support autistic kids.
I'm Chris Winger, better known as Speech Dude, and I'm a neurodivergent high school SLP and the creator of the DASOL, the dynamic assessment of social emotional learning.
And I'm Jesse Ginsberg, a sensory integration trained SLP, owner of a top-rated speech therapy clinic in Los Angeles, and the creator of the Inside Out Sensory Programs for Parents and Therapists. Join us weekly to learn neurodiversity affirming ways to support social, emotional development and regulation in autistic kids.
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Hello, hello everyone. Welcome to episode 15 of Making the Shift. Today we are going to be talking all about how autism is a different neurotype. If you're here live, before I forget, put in the chat where you're from. We always love to see that. So you will notice that there's a body that should be sitting here next to me. Funny not so funny story is that This show, I have anxiety every single week because I never know if Chris is gonna make it here on time. And you guys may not know this about him, but he is a very long commute. So it takes him like At least Hi. That was faster than I expected. I was gonna say an hour and a half to get home and he FaceTimed me about an hour ago exactly with the video that he showed me was a flat tire.
And you had to FaceTime me because if you had called me, I would have been like, No, that's impossible.
Flat as can be.
I thought you would have been like messing with me. I would have thought for sure.
The tires are paper thin. I'm serious. It's like a heavy car with like paper thin tires.
So I never know if he's gonna make it on time for these shows. And now school's back in session. So you have to go back to your commute. And then he FaceTimes me and he's in front of his car with a flat tire.
Oh my gosh, so much. But I cannot
believe you're here.
Celebrating. In full uh full bodied, full spirit. Full energy, we are good.
That's great. Very happy you made it on time. Everyone's typing in where they're from.
Oh, well, I wanted to say hello. I see uh we got a San Fernando Valley. That's not far from where we're at. It was a warm day.
Yeah, Sarah said, What a way to start the school year. Oh
gosh. Yeah, exactly. The nice thing about it is that Well, I'm getting all of these hiccups and all of the difficult Uh things.
Why is labeling autism as “deficient” harmful and counter‑productive?
Done at the beginning, like today. Because uh once I get through this adversity of of life on Tuesdays, I am going to be just um fine for tomorrow. It's like my fuel. For uh for being tenacious.
There you go. There
we are.
And there's your daily cup of inspiration.
That's right. That's what we do. So we take setbacks and flat tires and we turn them into growth, opportunity, and possibility.
And round. Fluffy tires.
Yeah. uh debt on my credit card because I have to get a new tire. Cool. Let's jump into our topic. What is it, Jesse? What are we talking about?
So I said we're talking today about autism as a different neurotype. And for me, learning this idea was so revolutionary because I'd never heard autism described as a neurotype. And that means a different brain type, a different way that the brain functions. So a neurotypical brain might function one way, an autistic brain might function another way. And it's such, I feel like it's just a lot more respectful of a way to see autistic people as a difference in brain type. So I think we We think so much about like the medical model of disability. A lot of the things we do is are based on that, which is looking only at deficits and what needs to be fixed or what needs to be cured. But the neurodiversity movement is all about pushing the social model.
Right. So it's all about well, the issues that autistic people have in the world exist because of these systemic barriers in society. It's like the world wasn't set up for them, which results in them having Struggles.
Right, absolutely. Let's let's go back real quick so we can give kind of like an easy like
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the premise of treating autism as a distinct neurotype?
0:08–3:12
2
Why is labeling autism as “deficient” harmful and counter‑productive?
3:12–6:12
3
How does the Double Empathy Problem explain misunderstandings between autistic and non‑autistic people?
6:12–10:21
4
What research shows autistic people communicate more effectively with each other?
10:21–14:44
5
How do differing social communication styles affect friendships and peer interactions?
14:44–17:10
6
Why should socializing be optional for autistic individuals in school and community settings?
17:10–19:42
7
What practical strategies can educators use to remove barriers and support neurodiverse learners?
19:42–22:25
8
How can shifting from a deficit‑based model to a neurodiversity‑affirming model improve outcomes for autistic people?
22:25–24:36
Speakers
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