Ep. 3: Little Known Secrets About Autism & Friendship
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What is the main premise of the episode and why do autistic kids want friends?
What's up everyone? Welcome to Making the Shift.
Where we listen to autistic voices,
explore new therapy ideas,
and share neurodiversity affirming methods and strengths-based approaches to support autistic kids.
Because we're not here to try and quote fix kids.
We are here to love them, embrace them, and celebrate them for who they are. I'm Jesse Ginsburg, sensory integration trained SLP, founder of a top-rated speech therapy clinic in Los Angeles, and creator of the Inside Out Sensory Certificate for SLPs.
And I'm Chris Winger, also known as Speech Dude, high school SLP and creator of the Dynamic Assessment for Social Emotional Learning. Are you ready to make the shift?
Let's do it.
Hi everyone. Welcome back for episode three of Making the Shift. I'm Jesse Ginsburg.
And I'm Chris Winger.
I feel like our outfits look good today together. We did some good. Chris is in this light purple and I'm in, what do you call this? Teal?
That would be teal, absolutely.
And I'm wearing my new sweatshirt. It says be the schwa. And everyone asked me what that means. And I didn't even know. I got this as a gift from Help Me Grow Speech. But it means be unstressed.
That's right. So
that is
living a life of being unstressed. Yeah.
Well, I feel like you're you have too low of a stress level for me like that.
I am always pretty r I you know what I can say for the most part, I my stress levels stay low.
Right. But that's what I'm saying is like sometimes maybe you need to be a little more stressed.
Cold showers in the morning. The cold showers help me work on my breathing. And so for the rest of the day, I'm less stressed because going into the cold showers is stressful. So I know if I start my day off with a lot of stress, the rest of the day will be not so stressed. That's how that one works.
Okay. Chris is Tony Robbinsing us. I just made a verb.
And for more uh Tony Robbins tours by speech, dude, you can catch me tomorrow in Philadelphia at eight o'clock. Oh, I'm scared.
All right. Well we're really excited about today.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, we've been talking about this.
We have a great topic that we're gonna talk about, but I wanted to share a story real quick. I had posted on my TikTok and on my Instagram on social media, I should say, um, just about When we work with our autistic students, we tend to work on goals like perspective taking. But I think that one of the Equally as important if not more important things is perspective giving. And so I did a video about like the scenarios of you know what what would would you like it if you were forced into having to interact with other parents and yada yada. And so one of the comments on my TikTok um account on that video. Um the person said, Hey, this is totally random and totally uh out there. But you know, my husband just said that you sound like Rob Lowe.
I was like, you know what? This is just like such a cool thing. So
well, yeah.
I I wanted to follow up with I
wonder why you're sharing this story. Pablo, like the king. I feel like he's like known as the the good looking guy. Is it on um Parks and Rec? I
have no clue what he's on, but I was gonna ask you guys a question. And this question is related to this. How many lows could Roblo rob if Roblo could rob lows? That's my question for you tonight. Now we're gonna transition into our topic though.
Thank you for that dad joke. Also, maybe people don't have lows where they're watching. It's a hardware store if anyone.
How does the recent survey of autistic adults challenge common myths about autism and friendships?
If anyone really wanted to um make sense of that dad joke.
Yeah, there he is. I think that everyone knows. I shouldn't say that, yeah. Lowe's is like Home Depot.
Yeah. There we go.
So yeah, I mean our topic is about um perspective giving and our topic is about working with how can we best and most effectively work with our autistic students? What little known secrets, um, what's the secret sauce to getting these kids friendships? But part of that is What we had talked about in episode two, which is Really helping parents learn about these types of things too, right? Don't you think that's kind of like something that
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main premise of the episode and why do autistic kids want friends?
0:08–4:00
2
How does the recent survey of autistic adults challenge common myths about autism and friendships?
4:00–7:05
3
What did the study reveal about autistic adults’ preferences for phone calls versus chat?
7:05–9:51
4
Why are specific activities more important than casual hang‑outs for autistic friendships?
9:51–13:31
5
How do autistic people’s ideas of closeness and deep conversation differ from neurotypical peers?
13:31–18:18
6
What practical strategies can clinicians use to assess and support friendship preferences in autistic students?
18:18–22:20
7
How can natural, interest‑based group settings (like game clubs) foster authentic friendships?
22:20–22:46
Speakers
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