Ep. 8: Validating the Autistic Experience ft. Autistic Coach Chloe Estelle
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What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest Chloe Estelle?
What's up, everyone? Welcome to Making the Shift.
Where we listen to autistic voices.
Explore new therapy ideas.
And share neurodiversity-affirming methods and strengths-based approaches to support autistic kids.
Because we're not here to try and, quote, fix kids.
We are here to love them, embrace them, and celebrate them for who they are. I'm Jessi Ginsberg, sensory integration trained SLP, founder of a top-rated speech therapy clinic in Los Angeles, and creator of the Inside Out Sensory Certificate for SLPs.
And I'm Chris Winger, also known as Speech Dude, high school SLP, and creator of the Dynamic Assessment for Social Emotional Learning. Are you ready to make the shift?
Let's do it.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to episode eight of Making the Shift. We are so excited today because today we are welcoming a special guest, Chloe Estelle. Chloe is an autistic coach and consultant through an organization she co-founded called Artism. And they work with teens, young adults, adults, families, And gosh, you guys just do so many incredible things over there.
Yeah. So I'm actually autistic and most of the services I created was because I was looking for them. So I like guinea pigged all the services because I wanted them. And now I work there and I get to implement them. And so I think they work, they work for me. So I'm hoping they do the same for other people. And so far I've gotten good feedback.
That's so awesome. that it's just that idea of you didn't get what you needed growing up and now you're able to provide that for other people. How cool.
I think that's the best. Yeah. I mean, lived experiences.
How did Chloe’s early life and twin sister’s diagnosis shape her view on autism?
Right. And then from
there,
moving forward and really being able to, you know, help on a, on a large scale is wonderful. I just absolutely love that.
Yeah, so even before diving into our topic, which we chose the topic of validation, but honestly, Chloe, such a wealth of knowledge. We could talk about anything under the sun, but we know this is such a great and important topic. But before we dive into that, I'd even love if you could share a little bit about growing up. You and your sister both diagnosed autistic twin sister. What
was
that like growing up?
So I wasn't diagnosed... until I was 16. So we didn't know, but we did a lot of things that were right and a lot of things that were wrong. But so Before we realized the neurotype stuff was happening, my twin sister Lillian got really, really sick in elementary school. We now know she has Crohn's and colitis and all these things in her, irritable bowel syndrome, all that. going on and we didn't know that when she was younger so she would get these horrible stomach aches and like go through like such throwing up and you know all those all the time she couldn't hold food down to the the the point we did think she was she was dying and it was like such a odd experience as a kid to like be put in that world thinking about that and so I was like trying to get through school so I had to do a lot of work to like reframe from that to like the neurodivergent stuff so I was like this isn't important because that was going on um and so I have
unlocked a lot of trauma memories about actually what was happening at school that I didn't remember for a long time and about that age. And so I think there was a lot of miscommunication and there is a lot of gaslighting that was happening because I was using incorrect language, people were telling me. And I would pretty much go home and teach myself material. And it got to a point of like in middle school, I couldn't do it anymore. And my grades like went from A's to like F's like overnight. And that was when we like caught onto that something was different. And I got misdiagnosed with ADD and OCD at that point. And then eventually at 16, I figured out it was autism. And that just made such a world of difference.
So as I dove into like what that actually was, and I met people like Danny Rady and Adam Walsh and Lula Foster and all these people in my life that like explained it to me, it like just made everything so much easier.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the purpose of this episode and who is the guest Chloe Estelle?
0:08–2:11
2
How did Chloe’s early life and twin sister’s diagnosis shape her view on autism?
2:11–5:48
3
Why is validation more important than offering immediate solutions for autistic kids?
5:48–8:32
4
What are common ways adults unintentionally invalidate autistic children’s experiences?
8:32–12:18
5
How does validation protect a child’s sense of health, strength, and self‑worth?
12:18–14:59
6
What practical strategies can parents and educators use to validate autistic learners?
14:59–17:34
7
Which resources and tools does Chloe recommend for families and professionals?
17:34–20:44
8
Where can listeners connect with Chloe online and learn more about Artism?
20:44–22:05
Speakers
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