Ep. 9: Ditch Reward Systems to Increase Motivation
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What is the main premise of ditching reward systems for motivation?
What's up, everyone? Welcome to Making the Shift.
Where we listen to autistic voices.
Explore new therapy ideas.
And share neurodiversity-affirming methods and strengths-based approaches to support autistic kids.
Because we're not here to try and, quote, fix kids.
We are here to love them, embrace them, and celebrate them for who they are. I'm Jessi Ginsberg, sensory integration trained SLP, founder of a top-rated speech therapy clinic in Los Angeles, and creator of the Inside Out Sensory Certificate for SLPs.
And I'm Chris Winger, also known as Speech Dude, high school SLP, and creator of the Dynamic Assessment for Social Emotional Learning. Are you ready to make the shift?
Let's do it.
Hello everyone. Welcome to episode nine of Making the Shift.
Nine episodes already. It seems like time is flying right on by.
That's right. And if you've been following along, you knew the last couple of days. If you've been following along on Instagram, you know the last couple of days. I have not had a voice, but I got some really good advice from people.
And I've got a lot of peace at the house.
Honestly, I didn't realize how much I talk and how little you talk sometimes. Because when you're deep in thought, thinking about something, you know, you're
just
thinking. And I feel so bad for the baby because I'm like, he needs language simulation. And here I am because Chris leaves early in the morning. And I'm like, okay, well, I can't use my voice. How can I talk to the baby? So I'm like signing and he was into it.
You know, yeah, absolutely. I just wanted to share too, as my brain was just wandering, I bet you that there's an assumption possibly because of my social media or just when Jesse and I are on the show that I do a ton of talking. But what we have come to find out that the past two days with Jesse's voice being silent, that things are really generally silent around the household and
And boring, maybe you could say.
No, that's what like my brain is growing because I'm constantly thinking about things. Because I'm
not interrupting your train of thought.
Yeah. I have been getting so much done, you guys. It's like solitude leads to productivity. That is so true.
Be
careful what you wish
for. That's a lesson I've learned. The
baby, I swear he's learning. Like in the bath, he always tries to stand up like babies do at that age. He's a little over a year. So I'm like, no, I'm signing the no sign and just giving him those eyes like no. Because, you know, in sign language, facial expressions are a huge part.
Right, right. Absolutely.
And he would just look at me back like, oh, my God, like he knew it.
Right. Yeah. I've been seeing this in the body movements.
How does the overlooked research show rewards decreasing children’s motivation?
We've really kind of practiced some dance skills when there is not much talking that we resort to dancing. So we'll turn on some salsa music.
As evidenced by social media.
Salsa music and cocoa melon. This is the blend of the two.
Yeah. Speaking of motivation, because that's a fun one.
Yeah, there is a lot of motivation behind that. We can tie that directly into Cocomelon. I was noticing that, what is it, Baby John? Yeah. Right? His dad is kind of in shape. And I was like, well, it's my motivation to get in shape. I got to look like that guy. Cocomelon dad is in shape for the summer. Making us all
look
bad. Got down on myself a little bit. So I did 10 pushups. Baby saw what it takes to be intrinsically and extrinsically motivated. Let's talk about that.
There we go. So today we really wanted to talk about one of our very favorite topics. I would say this is like almost borderline obsession. Yeah. I
think it's a great thing to really be passionate about, though, because it is something that applies to every aspect of one's life, whether you're a parent or a therapist or you're a business owner or you're someone that works at schools. It is ubiquitous amongst everything. And that's a big word.
Yeah. Look at
you. I know. I was Googling some words to use for the show. Words to make me look smart. What's that word? Ubiquity. Oh, I'm going to use that for the show. This is going to be a good one.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main premise of ditching reward systems for motivation?
0:08–3:05
2
How does the overlooked research show rewards decreasing children’s motivation?
3:05–5:23
3
Why do external rewards damage therapist‑client relationships?
5:23–9:21
4
What are the core differences between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation?
9:21–13:06
5
How can self‑reflection replace grades and external incentives in education?
13:06–16:42
6
What are the three key drivers of intrinsic motivation—autonomy, mastery, purpose?
16:42–19:44
7
How can teachers and therapists embed autonomy, mastery, and purpose into daily activities?
19:44–22:49
8
What practical steps can parents and professionals take to shift from rewards to intrinsic motivation?
22:49–27:00
Speakers
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