Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper with the Ultimatum’s Nick and Sandy Season 3 of The Ultimatum just wrapped and there are so many unanswered questions. What was their relationship like before the experience? Why did they come on the show? Why was Sandy overwhelmed by Nick during the process? And, are they getting back together? “There’s just so much that nobody sees.” Listen to Humble Brag with Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff every Monday starting October 21st! Available wherever you get your podcasts and YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humblebragpod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/humble-brag-with-crystal-and-cynthia/id1774286896 Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [email protected] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Listen To Disrespectfully now! Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disrespectfully/id1516710301 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0J6DW1KeDX6SpoVEuQpl7z?si=c35995a56b8d4038 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCh8MqSsiGkfJcWhkan0D0w To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [email protected] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [email protected] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles Thank You to Our Sponsors: Huggies - Learn More At https://www.Huggies.com Rocket Money - Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to https://www.RocketMoney.com/viall today. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @nicholas.tramontin @sandy_gal @justinkaphillips @leahgsilberstein @dereklanerussell
Chapter 1: What were Nick and Sandy's feelings before the show?
Well, you're the first one here.
How are you, Nick? Good. Good. Happy to have you. Thank you. Appreciate you guys having me.
On a scale of one to 10, are you nervous to do this?
Excited to do this? No, I think the nerves are through and pass. Yeah, it was a wild ride. I mean, it's been some time, so I think that we're all in different places now. Well, here we get to finally set the record straight. We will dig into it. I can hear it. I don't know what to expect.
I'm excited.
I mean, I didn't know what to expect either.
Well, I'm glad you're here, man.
Me too.
And I'm glad you're doing better.
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Chapter 2: How did Nick and Sandy handle their breakup?
And that was the last time you guys saw each other in person?
Last time I saw him in person. But I will say we've actually been like good supports for each other through all of this. Like Nick and I, we would not be sitting here together if we didn't still like care about each other and love each other as humans. And so to your point, Natalie, I actually like we have leaned on each other through this because we... It's so weird.
I mean, you know, you've been on reality shows like people don't understand unless you've gone through it and then throw in our real life relationship, real life issues that we truly struggled with. And now they're just like all over the TV for the entire world to judge. It's a really weird thing to go through and it's hard. But I do think that we've shown up for each other throughout this process.
as best as we can because we are broken up. Yeah.
I mean, even though we're broken up, I still have so much care and gratitude for the experiences we had prior to the show. And there's a reason we were so connected on so many levels. And I think for me, I'm in a bit of a... I don't want to see or hear anything negative towards her. I mean, she had her experience. I had my experience.
But for me, I feel very protective of her when it comes to people saying things that are way outside of who her actual character is. It doesn't feel good for me.
You know, I think that what a lot of people are seeing is the end of a real relationship and, you know, the experience provided a, um, you know, a rapid departure for the relationship and it wasn't the healthiest way for us to move apart, but I don't know if there's any healthy way to break up.
certainly went out with a bang you know where is that what is both of yours one biggest regret in terms of your conduct on the show without blaming editing without like just like something that you watched back and you were like did not love that i did that i wish i would have done that differently i can only pick one You can pick multiple, but I'd love to. I'm like, there's lots.
We have a lot of questions, a lot of things we want to cover, but I am curious, you know, before we like lay in or just be like, why the fuck did you guys do this? I'm just curious off the bat if it was more like, I definitely did not love how I handled myself that way.
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Chapter 3: What was the reunion experience like for Nick and Sandy?
That's crazy.
We went into it very like whatever. We kind of winged it. And I will say, like, I tried to have a lot of conversations with you that you didn't want to have. But we did have the conversation around boundaries. And we basically said, like, yeah, no boundaries. I mean.
You asked me specifically if I was bringing condoms.
Yeah, like if you were going to have sex with anyone.
And I said, absolutely not.
Yeah. And so that was clear as day. Like, okay, cool. We don't have to worry about that. But we were open to doing the experiment, like kissing or whatnot. That wasn't... Me and Nick have had a very open mind. We're really open-minded humans. And so that wasn't a crazy concept. It just didn't turn out the way that we...
Yeah, I guess it was less about, because you're right, because who knows? I mean, sex, who knows? For certain couples, it might not mean anything. It was more like, I was just surprised, not only just you guys, but just all the couples. It seemed like not a lot of couples had a conversation about how can we make sure the other person feels respected
in this process, because it definitely doesn't feel like you guys had that conversation about how do we make the other person feel respected in this process, given that regardless if it's sex or making out or, because if we're thinking about the sex, what we watched felt like a lot of disrespect in both directions between the two of you.
And I think that was the most shocking thing for me to watch as a viewer, Where it was like, all these couples kind of fucking hate each other. Because like, for a concept of like, you know, a premise of, and again, I appreciate the context you guys offer that maybe you guys weren't as rock solid as we were led to believe going in.
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Chapter 4: What regrets do Nick and Sandy have from their reality show experience?
I don't know I think what's really what's really big for me that I've realized throughout like through my relationships is I do want a partner that um wants a similar thing you know it's and they have a social life too that they you know want to be around and um and it's not a like a shameful thing it's not something that I need to like completely get rid of I don't think being in a relationship means like oh well that's it like we're gonna wipe away like
our social life that's you know what i mean there's a way to do it yeah we're very social i guess it just depends on what it depends on what totally like do i need to go to the club with my man i mean maybe sometimes if we want to but not like not all the time i think there's just a level of socialization and with with nick for instance like he's way more introverted and i just have like an anti-club direction
But you wouldn't even want to go out to dinners, Nick. Like you wouldn't want to go out to dinners. You wouldn't want to go hang out with friends. So it's like we and we really had the best time like ourselves, you know, hanging out on the couch and having our own like dance party and whatever.
But it's just that's a lifestyle thing when you're when it's a life partner that you do kind of want to be aligned with, because if not, that's a really big like that's a really big difference. But yeah, it's not just about like, oh, I want to be single because I want to go out. No, I'm I'll be single until I find the right person.
I have to ask this. Did you have sex with J.R.?
No, absolutely not. I will set the record straight right here, right now. Literally nothing happened past the kiss with me and J.R., I know it looks very bad. It looks a lot worse than it was. JR was a bit performative when it came to certain things. That's my wife. Oh, like, you know, hey, girl, what you doing? Hey, babe. He was never calling me babe when the cameras weren't around. Ever.
He was performing. A little bit, yeah. He would never... It was not the vibe. That's why it's really difficult for me to see because I'm like, damn, it really looks a certain way.
But didn't that bother you that he was planning it up for the camera?
You know what? Honestly, I'm very new here. We're just like normal humans that just got thrown into this and then there's cameras around. You don't really know how it's all going to look. Right. And we kind of were like... okay, like, we're trial, like, it's my trial hubby, it's my trial wife, whatnot, and, like, really playing into it.
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