When docs cry
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What is the documentary about Martha Stewart?
It's Today explained Martha Stewart is out publicizing her new Netflix documentary in the most hilarious way.
Are you happy with the documentary and how it turned out? Yeah, the documentary is fine. It left out a lot, so I'm going to go talk to them about maybe doing version two.
By telling Jimmy Fallon, among others, that she low-key hates it.
I don't like going to psychiatrists and talking about your feelings and all of that stuff. And the director was so intense on delving into it.
Powerful people like to control their images, and more and more often, celebrity documentaries allow them to do that. The Martha Doc didn't, and neither did a new and very mysterious documentary about Prince that, for reasons we're going to explain, you may never get to see. That's coming up.
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Hey there, this is Peter Kafka. I'm the host of Channels, the show about what happens when tech and media collide. And this week, we're talking to Adam Mosseri, who runs Instagram and who also runs Threads. And he told me what Threads was originally going to be called.
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I'm Noelle King with Matt Bellany. He's a founding partner of Puck and he's host of the Town podcast about Hollywood. Matt is the proud inventor of the term participation doc, which is a type of movie that, like it or not, is ascendant.
A participation doc is a documentary in which the subject is also an active participant. And that means they are typically a producer or they are contractually involved in the documentary. And that is most of the celebrity-oriented docu-series you see on streaming services. You will also notice that they are participation docs. They are done with the full participation of the subject. What do you think of them? I'm not typically a fan of this genre of programming. I think that you sacrifice a lot when you get into bed with the subject of your film. I'm not saying there aren't amazing documentaries that are participation docs. However, there are so many of them these days that they have sort of morphed into another thing.
What are participation docs?
And often those documentaries are simply vehicles for image brandishment by the subject. Name your pop star. They've got a documentary on streaming that A, they've been paid a lot of money to participate in. B, they have a producing credit on the film. And C, they have... significant input into the outcome of that project. So there's not going to be anything in there that is going to tell you something the artist doesn't want you to know. The Beckham docuseries, which was very popular and actually is one of the better done examples of the genre, in my opinion, We're very working class. Be honest. I am being honest. Be honest. I am being honest. What car did your dad drive you to school in? That was a full participation, doc.
It's not a simple answer because. What car did you get your dad to drive you to school in? It depends. No, no, no, no, no. OK, in the 80s, my dad had a Rolls Royce. Thank you. They had sign off. They got paid for it. They were very much involved in the final product. And I'm not passing judgment. I get why the filmmakers do this because you want access. It's a tenant of journalism. If you want access to people, you need to give up certain freedoms in the documentary space often. That freedom is the freedom to tell the story the way you want it to be told. Often, it has to be told the way the subject wants it to be told. Now, there's a nuance here that often big-name filmmakers, and I've debated this subject with some pretty big documentary filmmakers, who say that what they don't give up is final cut. And sometimes these filmmakers will negotiate that they get final cut. The star and the producer, they can have input.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the documentary about Martha Stewart?
0:02–3:10
2
What are participation docs?
3:10–8:09
3
How has the documentary genre changed over time?
8:09–9:21
4
What makes a documentary a 'participation doc'?
9:21–13:09
5
Why do celebrities prefer participatory documentaries?
13:09–17:35
6
What is the controversy surrounding the Prince documentary?
17:35–17:55
7
How do audiences perceive celebrity documentaries?
17:55–26:46