The Gathering

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What is the purpose of today’s gathering and who are the guests?

David McCullagh 0:00
Now it is time for our Friday gathering. This week I'm joined by James Gagan, Finegael T D for Dublin Bay South, David Cullenan, Sinn Fein T D for Waterford and party spokesperson for Health. Caroline O'Dharty, climate and science correspondent with the Irish Times, and Christina Finn, political editor with the journal.ie. Good morning, you're all very welcome. Thanks for joining us. Uh budgets are coming, James. Uh home heating oil, prices gone through the roof, other energy cross. are putting pressure on households. There's no earthly way you're going to go ahead with carbon tax increases this October, is there?
James Geoghegan 0:32
Uh well one thing's for sure is that energy costs are the driving cost factor that are going to feature heavily in the budget no matter what decision we take.

How will the upcoming budget address rising energy costs and home‑heating oil prices?

James Geoghegan 0:39
So what we've heard from uh my party leader, uh finance minister Simon Harris is that there is going to be a significant uh personal tax packet in this budget. One of it
David McCullagh 0:49
according to Jack Chambers.
James Geoghegan 0:50
What's one of one of four budgets to come, and obviously by directing your personal tax package, literally putting more money back into your pockets, that will have an impact. But we've also identified that clearly there are some sectors of the energy crisis that are even more pronounced than others. Home heating oil, not as common in Dublin, but a big issue outside of Dublin. And the Finance Minister has really signalled that there will be measures to directly address. Address that issue. So combined with the personal tax package, specific measures when it comes to energy, obviously in addition to the measures we've already taken, are going to make a difference. But there's no question, I mean, this is going to be a current challenge, a medium term challenge and a future challenge, and and we know why that is.
James Geoghegan 1:30
It's because of events that are taking place internationally. Yeah.
David McCullagh 1:33
David Culnan, I mean obviously that th th the rising energy costs are because of what's happening in the Strait of Horror Moose, there's very little the government can do about that, is there?
David Cullinane 1:42
Well, what the government can do is to support people as much as possible. Obviously we can't cushion people against every price increase. But if you look at across the board groceries, mortgages, rents, public transport, fuel costs, everything is going up and people need to be protected. We can't have a situation where the government adds to the problem and that's why these carbon tax increases which are being proposed have to be scrapped. We can't have a situation where we push the the price of petrol and diesel well beyond two euro for for diesel, I think that would be unacceptable. It adds costs for obviously motorists but also for businesses as well, so I think that's unacceptable. We also need to support people in relation to energy credits.
David Cullinane 2:21
We'll be proposing in an alternative budget a four hundred euro energy credit and we'll also be calling for Forever. Yes, because we asked the government for the last number of years to put in place a process to allow for a targeted approach. They haven't done it. So to be able to for any government to get that money to people quickly, the only way is to have a universal payment. I want to see it targeted, but what I also want and I think this would be fair if on the US E, if the first forty thousand euro was exempt, that would put seven hundred euro back into the pockets of workers. So what we want is a comprehensive package to support workers and families who are, as I said, dealing with rising energy costs but also mortgage rent, public transport.
David Cullinane 3:01
And the last thing the government should be doing is adding to the problem which they have done with hiking up uh prices for public transport and potentially now for petrol and diesel. So obviously the government have a responsibility.
David McCullagh 3:11
Okay, so yeah, I don't know whether you heard we we were talking to Christine Lagarde, the president of the European Central Bank earlier and I I asked her about untargeted credits and she said the advice they would give uh governments is very strongly that they sh uh any help should be targeted, should be tailored and should be temporary.

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