HTDE: Heckling, Yawning, and Imitating, with James Austin Johnson and Patton Oswalt
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Hello. Hello, Pat. Hey. Hey, it's Mike and Ian from NPR's How to Do Everything calling. Hey, how you doing, man? We got a couple emails from you, our listeners, and we weren't exactly sure how to respond. So we're calling up comedian Pat Noswalt.
So we're a how-to show. We get questions from listeners and we do our best to answer them. But we recently got a couple emails where we think we're being heckled. You think you're being heckled.
We're pretty sure we're being heckled.
One of them is clear, clearly heckling us. The other one could possibly be a good faith question, but we think we're being heckled.
Oh, okay. Well, let's hear these.
Okay. The one we're not sure about is from Sky, and it says, Hey, Mike and Ian, just had a quick question. How do you end a podcast season? Looking forward to the answer. Feel free not to mention my question and show by example instead. Thanks, Sky.
Hmm.
Okay, that could be a case of them phrasing it badly and you guys being oversensitive. Okay. That could be a guy just saying, oh, let's show by example. It almost has the tone of an elementary school teacher. But because entertainers like us are basically broken children at heart, we're super sensitive. and we lash out. I don't think that that's heckling. That doesn't feel like heckling. Okay. Okay.
Well, that feels good. So I'll read you this other one. This is from Ed. What can you do to make your podcast funny? Like you would have a clue, Ed. That's definitely... That's a heckle, right?
That's not encouraging.
Okay. Yeah, that is absolutely phrased as a heckle. But let me just tell you something. A lot of people... They want to be your friend. Like, they want to already fast forward to the negging stage where friends kind of rib each other.
Okay.
So that could be somebody desperate for friendship by going, like, you guys have a clue. Come on, we're good, right? Yeah. That almost has a feeling of loneliness to me. You know, we break each other's balls. That's what we do. Come on. So... Treat them with ball-busting kindness, if that makes sense, if that's achievable.
Let me ask you this question, then. Has anyone ever heckled you from stage, and you've, like, they were right?
Oh, yeah, well, I... It's at the beginning of, I think, my third or second-to-last special. I opened with a story about how I was heckled, and the guy won. And he was absolutely right. Like, he was absolutely friggin' right, and it was, like, right near the beginning of my career. And... Here's what you have to do in those situations, okay? There are going to be nights where the audience wins or the heckler wins, especially when you're starting. And the most important thing to do is to wake up the next day and go, oh, world didn't end. It didn't affect anything. I have another chance to do it tonight. You can keep trying. You can keep doing it.
Okay, okay. So that's the attitude we should adopt when it comes to Ed and his, like you guys would have a clue, email. Yeah. Like, you guys would have a clue.
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