Dr. Giulia Enders

And I think you sort of tend to fall asleep like our children do.

But you never had to be well programmed to say, oh, I've got all this stimulation, but I need to go to sleep.

So I'll go to sleep.

So it's sort of not built in.

So much of what is difficult in modern life is where, you know, the environment is just not well set to how we just evolved to be.

Well, but that's just a process.

The body is very good at adapting and finding always new ways.

And I think probably always in history there was something new coming up that it really wasn't, you know, prepared for.

It just sort of like adjusted and went along with it.

And I think we'll be able to do that here too.

But I think it will be problematic if we tune out the knowledge.

we have about the body.

If we just try to stuff it into this, you know, four-corner product of modern life, then it won't work very well.

And we already see the indicators for that everywhere, sleep problems included.

But if we understand it better and move along with it more smartly, then we'll find new ways, then we find good ways, and then we'll make also modern and innovative things happen and work for us and not the opposite, us working for them.

And Julia, if I go back to sleep, you're talking about how important it is for my immune system and creating these immune cells.

Do naps count?

Yes, but if you have a hard time sleeping during the night, then it's sometimes advisable to cut out the naps so that you build up more sleep pressure, as they say, and then you have an easier time really being asleep during the night.

But if you've had a horrible sleep and you're carrying it through the day, then a short nap can be a really good idea.

And that is, for example, one thing that I think