Ginny Andersen

Instead of spending time on solutions, the fuel and the cost of living, they're focused on themselves, and people can see that.

It's a tricky one.

I've read all of the media commentary on that.

There's been parallels drawn to it.

examples in Australia so yeah it was an interesting call to make and I mean I think the tough thing is that if polls keep not looking good then the question is does he do another one of those so I think that he does it's okay for now like yes he's supported for now but it does open up the door as this an ongoing thing that you'll do when you get subsequent bad polling

Well, we do everything to get every single vote that's available.

No, I get that, but you know what I'm saying.

That's always been our approach.

And it's really difficult with MMP when you get someone, you know, it also depends on those smaller parties, whether they take a seat or not, that can have an impact on having an overhang in Parliament.

So there are so many variables in a small country like New Zealand where one or two percent, which is,

Let's not forget the margin of error in any poll.

So it's very hard to predict what the outcome will be, and so that's why we're working hard.

Well, as long as it takes Todd McClay to give us the information we've asked for.

Well, we've had some good discussions.

So Vinushi Walters and Damien O'Connor have been in and allowed to read all those documents.

And we had a thorough discussion about it.

yesterday at caucus.

We remain committed to getting a good constructive outcome for all New Zealanders as well as all businesses.

But we want to ensure that any arrangement doesn't leave us worse off.

And then in 15 years, when the $33 billion isn't reached, we want to make sure that those New Zealand businesses who have invested or do have relationships or trade relationships in place