Helen Thorn

And when you start making little adjustments, it's like the mirror.

You mirror each other and it starts to change.

And a lot of friends will come with you and that's why I would –

the chapter that, but I also wanted to address it because I don't think we speak about this enough in a really honest way that sometimes friends don't like it when you better yourself.

Status.

Yes.

And it was really interesting.

I spoke to the amazing Rebecca Humphries, whose, her partner was on Strictly Come Dancing over here and he had an affair.

And she wrote this brilliant book about gaslighting and toxic masculinity.

And she said when she became single and started dating and exploring all these things,

There were some friends that couldn't hang out with her because she's like, it was too confronting that she'd left a relationship and she'd grown this confidence.

But she said one of the lovely things is that they did come back and they just said, at that time, you reminded me of something I didn't want to kind of face.

It might have been like a possibility.

that you've shown, it's a bit like when you lose weight and if people have gone through that, they'll know.

I had friends going, don't lose too much weight, you won't look like you anymore, which I can't understand what that meant.

I didn't know what, you know, it was like, no, you have to stay in that lane.

So...

But that said, you know, women are amazing and friends are amazing and all that sort of stuff.

Women are brilliant.

But I did want to have that conversation because it didn't matter what friends had gone through or the women I interviewed, whether, you know, especially like a woman who had gone through Rosamund Dean, who'd gone through breast cancer, and she couldn't drink wine anymore.