Matt Clifford

It's already here.

And anthropics already had to make some decisions about how to deal with this.

And one of them is this sort of structured access.

I don't know if that's how you describe it.

And it feels like Mythos, even if from a capability perspective, it's another point on a relatively smooth curve.

I think that for large organizations, it crossed some threshold of relevance where it's

I think even just in the last few weeks, far fewer leaders of large organizations within the public sector and the private sector are like, yeah, but it's all tech pro hype.

It feels like it's been a helpful thing for getting the world to take AI seriously.

So can we just go back a minute and talk about... You talk rightly about this sort of... This capability will broadly diffuse.

Right now, Anthropic has it.

Arguably, OpenAI has something close to it.

Maybe Google does.

But this is very small.

And as you say, you've been able to do the structured access program.

You've chosen who gets it.

As you say...

Everything we know about AI progress to date suggests that that won't be true for very long.

What's your current take?

It won't be true for very long that a tiny handful of companies have models that capable.

In somewhere between zero and 12 months, I think we can expect, but I'd love you to push back if you don't agree, an open source equivalent capability that's likely from China, but plausibly somewhere else.