Matt Clifford

But I think if you believe, as I do, and I think Jack does, that this is going to be the most important technology, you know, of our lifetimes, probably ever, then you need, I think you need to believe from a pure democratic legitimacy point of view, that it can't just be something that's done to governments.

Governments have to start to build the skills.

Well, two things I'd say.

One, it's extraordinary how quickly the amounts of money have changed.

I remember securing the first 100 million for AC or what became AC in 2023.

And it seemed like a colossal amount of money at the time.

And obviously now it's not.

But I do think, and this is...

This is slightly off topic, but I think it's worth saying.

I do think that, to me, one of the lessons is that when governments actually have a real clear mission with a degree of urgency and top-down support from the prime minister, both Rishi Sunak and followed up by Keir Starmer, actually, there are a lot of people, even people whose opportunity cost is earning huge amounts of sums in big tech firms, that are willing to take up the challenge.

So I'm not saying hiring AC has always been easy.

Obviously, they don't work there anymore.

But I definitely think the caliber of talent that you've been able to get through the mission has been very impressive.

And those that do typically don't have the capability.

Should we switch to cyber then?

Because this is very live and obviously Anthropic has been in the news on this topic.

So...

Do you want to do 30 seconds on Mythos for the 2% of listeners who haven't seen it all over the news?

And can you say a little bit, because obviously we're already here in this world.

This is no longer a thing that might happen in future.